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Woman arrested after damaging Satanic display at Florida Capitol[W:649]

Re: Woman arrested after damaging Satanic display at Florida Capitol

The liberties are enough...I no more want government to enforce the absence of religious display, anymore than I want them to endorse them.
Can you explain what the middle ground is between "enforcing the absence of religious display" and "endorsing religious displays?"
That's just silly, we are no more going to become a Theocracy, than we are a secular nation. It's foolish to believe that we need Government to "protect us" from beliefs.
Tell me about how you feel about the encroachment of "free speech" or the encroachment of your "right to bear arms?"

Why shouldn't the encroachment of the establishment of religion be viewed with the same bold lines?
Ah, so an all encompassing government control is just fine with you, and you see opposition to that as just people that need to be forced until they see how good it is eh?

The atheists, and Satanists do things like this IMHO, not because they truly want some sort of equality in the public sphere, but because they think it will upset people, and jab a finger in their eye. Pretty vile if you ask me...
You're viewing this from the reverse side of things:

I see limiting government establishment of religion as keeping government controls low. This is not government control, it's keeping religion in the hands of the people. I am not advocating big government secularism, I am advocating small government in establishing religion.

If you're advocating public establishment, you're the one arguing for greater encompassing government.;)
Allowing a display of a nativity scene, or a Menorah during the holidays is not "showing preference". Government does that by making laws. But, courts have ruled that the minority can tyrannize the majority with the force of Government. I don't believe that was the intent of the Constitution.
You're mistaking equal access by minorities to "tyranny."

Equal access isn't "tyrannical." It's equal. It's in the name. Otherwise, it'd be called "tyrannical access."
 
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It's like a vampire can not exist if he do not believe in god. If some of the tenants of vampirism is adversion to Holy water and a crucifix...then there must not be any atheist vampires.
That makes no sense. What are you talking about, in the context of my statement that you quoted?
 
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Right after they get rid of the other religious displays.
Where's the Atheist display? The Supreme Court regards Atheism as a religion, after all. Shouldn't there be...I don't know...like a spot set aside for Atheists with absolutely nothing in it?
 
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Some may...that doesn't make them right either...For instance, I personally think it is rather interesting to see established religions and how they celebrate their holiest days...

It is likely this woman was truly offended by having to witness this display, but even then, she didn't have the right to tear it down, however, that to me makes no less disgusting that the group that put it up did so to offend. I doubt that a Buddhist, or Hindu group would do so for those reasons.

They did not do it to offend anyone. It was done to shame the group with the Nativity to move it elsewhere. They don't believe religious displays are appropriate on State property. It has the appearance of a State sanctioned religion and appearance is 9 tenths of the law. Sadly it seems many see it as a war between Satan and God, which is comically ludicrous and has nothing to with the aim of the Satanist display.
 
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Re: Woman arrested after damaging Satanic display at Florida Capitol

Only in Christianity. In Judaism, HaSatan is G-d's chief prosecutor, his employee, and cannot act without G-d's express will and approval. That would make Satan worship idolatry, which I suppose is an evil in itself, but not the "heinous evil" Christianity ascribes to that being.

Isn't Satan a disgruntled employee, an ex-angel?

I mean if he existed at all.
 
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Isn't Satan a disgruntled employee, an ex-angel?
That's what Christianity made of him. In fact, HaSatan is, as I said, an angel who works for G-d. Angels have no free will to act on their own, and thus cannot be an ex-employee. For that matter, they cannot sin at all, since they lack free will to choose to begin with.
 
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They did not do it to offend anyone. It was done to shame the group with the Nativity to move it elsewhere. They don't believe religious displays are appropriate on State property. It has the appearance of a State sanctioned religion and appearance is 9 tenths of the law. Sadly it seems many see it as a war between Satan and God, which is comically ludicrous and has nothing to with the aim of the Satanist display.

Well, I don't buy that at all...In fact you come out and say it when you say they did it to "shame" Christians for putting up a nativity scene....What a bunch of assholes....See, I think it is the same question as the one when Muslims wanted to put the Mosque too near the site of 9/11. Do they have a "right" to put up a Mosque, or display? sure....Is it something they know would offend many, and a real dumb thing to do? Hell yes.
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While incorrect, her actions are understandable and it should be pointed out that this sort of thing wouldn't happen if they didn't allow this heinous evil to occur in the first place.

No...not understandable. If someone destroyed a christian display, you wouldn't be saying the same thing...of course you want a christian theocracy here.
 
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No...not understandable. If someone destroyed a christian display, you wouldn't be saying the same thing...of course you want a christian theocracy here.

Well of course not, Christianity is true.
 
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Christianity is the truth.

Talking snakes, virgin birth, zombie deities, people living inside of fish...sure...that could happen.....:roll:
 
Re: Woman arrested after damaging Satanic display at Florida Capitol

Really? He/she/it told you so? Or did you get it from that book of compiled stories which have been edited and reedited over hundreds of years?
There is right and wrong. Praise of the devil goes in the wrong category. You wish to idolize evil? We don't need you, you are part of the problem.
 
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Well of course not, Christianity is true.

True to you, and your faith.

Not to others who don't believe in myths and fables.
 
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Well, I don't buy that at all...In fact you come out and say it when you say they did it to "shame" Christians for putting up a nativity scene....What a bunch of assholes....See, I think it is the same question as the one when Muslims wanted to put the Mosque too near the site of 9/11. Do they have a "right" to put up a Mosque, or display? sure....Is it something they know would offend many, and a real dumb thing to do? Hell yes.
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right!! Don't people realize that free speech rights are only for speech that doesn't offend? :screwy
 
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right!! Don't people realize that free speech rights are only for speech that doesn't offend? :screwy
Oh the irony. Did you really just say that? Isn't that what this entire debate is all about? Militant atheists who equate a Christmas decoration with theocracy? You people are sumpthin' else. :roll:
 
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Oh the irony. Did you really just say that? Isn't that what this entire debate is all about? Militant atheists who equate a Christmas decoration with theocracy? You people are sumpthin' else. :roll:

Sangha was being ironic, but I'm not sure what your point is. Are you against free speech if it offends someone? I mean, that nativity scene offended some non-christians.

State sponsorship of displays for just one religion WOULD be moving towards theocracy.
 
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Sangha was being ironic, but I'm not sure what your point is. Are you against free speech if it offends someone? I mean, that nativity scene offended some non-christians.

My point is, it is usually libs who want to shout down speech they don't agree with.

State sponsorship of displays for just one religion WOULD be moving towards theocracy.

Having Christmas decorations on the little town square is not state sponsorship of religion, nor is it in any way, shape, or form a move towards theocracy. Do you even know what a theocracy is?
 
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My point is, it is usually libs who want to shout down speech they don't agree with.

Um, no


Having Christmas decorations on the little town square is not state sponsorship of religion, nor is it in any way, shape, or form a move towards theocracy. Do you even know what a theocracy is?

Many court decisions disagree with you.
 
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Um, yes. Shall I post up some videos?




Many court decisions disagree with you.
Let's see a couple of them. Make sure they are the one's that ruled Christmas decorations as theocracies.
 
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Oh the irony. Did you really just say that? Isn't that what this entire debate is all about? Militant atheists who equate a Christmas decoration with theocracy? You people are sumpthin' else. :roll:
No one here has an issue with Christmas decorations. They have an issue with Christmas decorations on public property. They have issues with it because it's a step in the establishment of religion by the government which is unconstitutional and a step towards theocracy.

It's no different than if the government were to censor free speech in a way that most people agree with. Or to search and seize property that most people agree with. They're all unconstitutional, even if it seems harmless.
 
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No one here has an issue with Christmas decorations. They have an issue with Christmas decorations on public property. They have issues with it because it's a step in the establishment of religion by the government which is unconstitutional and a step towards theocracy.

It's no different than if the government were to censor free speech in a way that most people agree with. Or to search and seize property that most people agree with. They're all unconstitutional, even if it seems harmless.

It's not a step towards theocracy. Why don't you tell the class what a theocracy is. And while you're at it, explain how a Christmas decoration is a, "step towards theocracy". Please be specific.
 
Re: Woman arrested after damaging Satanic display at Florida Capitol

While incorrect, her actions are understandable and it should be pointed out that this sort of thing wouldn't happen if they didn't allow this heinous evil to occur in the first place.

"The bill for establishing religious freedom, the principles of which had, to a certain degree, been enacted before, I had drawn in all the latitude of reason and right. It still met with opposition; but, with some mutilations in the preamble, it was finally passed; and a singular proposition proved that its protection of opinion was meant to be universal. Where the preamble declares, that coercion is a departure from the plan of the holy author of our religion, an amendment was proposed, by inserting the word "Jesus Christ," so that it should read, "a departure from the plan of Jesus Christ, the holy author of our religion;" the insertion was rejected by a great majority, in proof that they meant to comprehend, within the mantle of its protection, the Jew and the Gentile, the Christian and Mahometan, the Hindoo, and Infidel of every denomination."

~Thomas Jefferson
 
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It's not a step towards theocracy. Why don't you tell the class what a theocracy is. And while you're at it, explain how a Christmas decoration is a, "step towards theocracy". Please be specific.

"Theocracy is a form of government in which the clergy is officially recognized as the civil Ruler and official policy is governed by officials regarded as divinely guided, or is pursuant to the doctrine of a particular religion or religious group."

Theocracy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The government publicly endorsing the Christian religion by dedicating public space during the annual holiest day is establishing a religion and a step towards establishing a theocracy.
 
Re: Woman arrested after damaging Satanic display at Florida Capitol

"Theocracy is a form of government in which the clergy is officially recognized as the civil Ruler and official policy is governed by officials regarded as divinely guided, or is pursuant to the doctrine of a particular religion or religious group."

Theocracy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The government publicly endorsing the Christian religion by dedicating public space during the annual holiest day is establishing a religion and a step towards establishing a theocracy.

How exactly do you get from a Christmas decoration, to priests being the governing body? That is your idea of specificity? :roll:

And if this practice is soooooo unconstitutional, why hasn't the SCOTUS shut that **** down?

Here, I got you something for Winter Solstice.

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How exactly do you get from a Christmas decoration, to priests being the governing body? That is your idea of specificity? :roll:

And if this practice is soooooo unconstitutional, why hasn't the SCOTUS shut that **** down?

Here, I got you something for Winter Solstice.

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I read the definition as having an "or" in it: Theocracy is a form of government in which the clergy is officially recognized as the civil Ruler and official policy is governed by officials regarded as divinely guided, or is pursuant to the doctrine of a particular religion or religious group.

As for SCOTUS shutting it down, it has. That's why we're discussing the woman attacking the Satanic display. Because in order to stay within the Establishment Clause - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia, you have to allow all religious views access if you allow one. It's either Christmas displays plus Satanic ones, or no Christmas displays at all.
 
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