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Woman arrested after damaging Satanic display at Florida Capitol[W:649]

Re: Woman arrested after damaging Satanic display at Florida Capitol

Paleocon said:
More morally wrong.
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That's not your call, in terms of what the government should do. Your entire opinion is based in your religious opinion, which is an invalid basis upon which the government may act.

Paleocon said:
{S}preading the morals of Christianity was not the Inquisition's job.
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No, it was to torture and murder in the name of Christianity, for the grave and mortal sin of not being Christian. So much for Christianity having any authority is to what is or is not "morally wrong."
 
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Jerry said:
If the country is 'normally religious' then that proves my point that the country isn't secular, so I'll take that compromise :peace
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"Nominally" is not "normally"
 
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Paleocon said:
While incorrect, her actions are understandable and it should be pointed out that this sort of thing wouldn't happen if they didn't allow this heinous evil to occur in the first place.
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I agree. If Florida didn't allow the evil of religious display in public there would be no issue.
 
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Paleocon said:
Satanism is a heinous evil.
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Oh well, evil isn't against the Constitution, so you get to enjoy it like the rest of us.
 
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WeirdoJoker said:
That Satan is a "heinous evil" only in Christianity. Not to other religions, necessarily. One cannot tear down a religious display just because one finds it objectionable in his own religious beliefs.
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It's like a vampire can not exist if he do not believe in god. If some of the tenants of vampirism is adversion to Holy water and a crucifix...then there must not be any atheist vampires.
 
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Jerry said:
That's my point. When one says "this is a secular country" they're saying all parts are secular. Clearly that is not the case, and that's why this is even an issue.
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By that logic, you can't say this is a $religion country either because not all parts are religious.

I guess we are just nothing...
 
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Paleocon said:
Satanism is a heinous evil.
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No, creating Satan and allowing him to cause suffering is heinous evil.
 
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tacomancer said:
By that logic, you can't say this is a $religion country either because not all parts are religious.

I guess we are just nothing...
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#$religion, I like it. This is the sort of mess you get into when you try to paint the whole country with a broad brush. It would be better if Unrepresented had said the government was secular, as that would be both on-topic and true.
 
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Unrepresented said:
It's a secular country. The belief of the majority isn't relevant.
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While I don't agree with the woman who lost it, regarding the action she took, how is it that in every other case you are in here arguing this morphing definition of "democracy" to suit any argument, yet when it is Christianity, all of the sudden that disappears?
 
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j-mac said:
Why should they, it's a predominantly Christian country.
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A majority of people may claim that Christianity is their faith...that no more makes America a vanilla country. Or a coke nation.

Preference is irrelevant.
 
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j-mac said:
While I don't agree with the woman who lost it, regarding the action she took, how is it that in every other case you are in here arguing this morphing definition of "democracy" to suit any argument, yet when it is Christianity, all of the sudden that disappears?
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Because I believe we need some fundamental protections for everyone, as a complement to fundamental liberties. Protecting citizens from the encroachment of theocracy is valuable to everyone, even if they don't appreciate it until they discover Satanic displays at their local public center.

The compromise isn't to give in to the minority Satanists or the majority Christians, but rather give preference to neither, just as our Constitution directed.
 
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spud_meister said:
So's Christianity, but we have to put up with that too.
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Lol, look at all the usual suspects liking this post.
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spud_meister said:
:lamo Yeah, and I'm a T-rex. Christianity is the religion of child molesters and drunks.
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Lol, what an idiotic thing to say. Do you have any stats to prove that "Christians" drink and molest children any more per capita than non-Christians? No? Didn't think so.
 
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Jerry said:
If America is a secular country, why are most people religious? If America was a secular country, wouldn't that mean that most people are either atheist or agnostic?
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Walt Disney was a devout Christian, and yet Mickey Mouse is a secular cartoon character. There is a difference between the creations that we produce as a society and the facets of our individual belief systems.
 
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Jerry said:
#$religion, I like it. This is the sort of mess you get into when you try to paint the whole country with a broad brush. It would be better if Unrepresented had said the government was secular, as that would be both on-topic and true.
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I would agree. America is so many things, we have countless sub cultures, countless historical mythologies, countless institutions, etc.

I think Amelie Durkheim's Social Identity theory (modified a bit for nations, and I am willing to bet ecofarm, if he sees this will chime in with some sociological term for it) best fits the description of this country.
 
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Unrepresented said:
Because I believe we need some fundamental protections for everyone, as a complement to fundamental liberties.
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The liberties are enough...I no more want government to enforce the absence of religious display, anymore than I want them to endorse them.

Protecting citizens from the encroachment of theocracy is valuable to everyone
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That's just silly, we are no more going to become a Theocracy, than we are a secular nation. It's foolish to believe that we need Government to "protect us" from beliefs.

even if they don't appreciate it until they discover Satanic displays at their local public center.
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Ah, so an all encompassing government control is just fine with you, and you see opposition to that as just people that need to be forced until they see how good it is eh?

The atheists, and Satanists do things like this IMHO, not because they truly want some sort of equality in the public sphere, but because they think it will upset people, and jab a finger in their eye. Pretty vile if you ask me...

The compromise isn't to give in to the minority Satanists or the majority Christians, but rather give preference to neither, just as our Constitution directed.
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Allowing a display of a nativity scene, or a Menorah during the holidays is not "showing preference". Government does that by making laws. But, courts have ruled that the minority can tyrannize the majority with the force of Government. I don't believe that was the intent of the Constitution.
 
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j-mac said:
The liberties are enough...I no more want government to enforce the absence of religious display, anymore than I want them to endorse them.



That's just silly, we are no more going to become a Theocracy, than we are a secular nation. It's foolish to believe that we need Government to "protect us" from beliefs.



Ah, so an all encompassing government control is just fine with you, and you see opposition to that as just people that need to be forced until they see how good it is eh?

The atheists, and Satanists do things like this IMHO, not because they truly want some sort of equality in the public sphere, but because they think it will upset people, and jab a finger in their eye. Pretty vile if you ask me...



Allowing a display of a nativity scene, or a Menorah during the holidays is not "showing preference". Government does that by making laws. But, courts have ruled that the minority can tyrannize the majority with the force of Government. I don't believe that was the intent of the Constitution.
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So you are saying that a religious display by a minority is tyrannizing the majority

But a religious display by the majority is not tyrannizing minorities?
 
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Lord Tammerlain said:
So you are saying that a religious display by a minority is tyrannizing the majority

But a religious display by the majority is not tyrannizing minorities?
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Yeah, wasn't j-mac's post a bit Orwellian-1984-double speak?
 
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Lord Tammerlain said:
So you are saying that a religious display by a minority is tyrannizing the majority

But a religious display by the majority is not tyrannizing minorities?
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Hi there LT, long time no see...Merry Christmas...

No, that's not what I am saying. But, these groups aren't out for any realistic recognition of their beliefs, rather they are there to specifically stick a finger in the eye of the rest of us....
 
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j-mac said:
Hi there LT, long time no see...Merry Christmas...

No, that's not what I am saying. But, these groups aren't out for any realistic recognition of their beliefs, rather they are there to specifically stick a finger in the eye of the rest of us....
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Really? If you get upset when you see a non-christian display, that says more about you than about the motives of the people putting up the display.
 
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j-mac said:
Hi there LT, long time no see...Merry Christmas...

No, that's not what I am saying. But, these groups aren't out for any realistic recognition of their beliefs, rather they are there to specifically stick a finger in the eye of the rest of us....
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In the case of the satanic display, yes most likely it is just a protest by a group upset with the government allowing a Christian display on government property.

But what if it was a display by a true religious group rather then a protest display. What if it was a hindu display or Bhuddist display? Would people be upset by the non Christian display and support the vandalism?
 
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paddymcdougall said:
Really? If you get upset when you see a non-christian display, that says more about you than about the motives of the people putting up the display.
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Look, I don't care personally, and I even stated that I thought that the woman who "lost it" and tore down the Satanic display was in the wrong....But, let's be honest...Satanists, Atheists, etc, only do this sort of thing to arouse a reaction...They are nothing better than instigators.
 
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Lord Tammerlain said:
In the case of the satanic display, yes most likely it is just a protest by a group upset with the government allowing a Christian display on government property.

But what if it was a display by a true religious group rather then a protest display. What if it was a hindu display or Bhuddist display? Would people be upset by the non Christian display and support the vandalism?
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Some may...that doesn't make them right either...For instance, I personally think it is rather interesting to see established religions and how they celebrate their holiest days...

It is likely this woman was truly offended by having to witness this display, but even then, she didn't have the right to tear it down, however, that to me makes no less disgusting that the group that put it up did so to offend. I doubt that a Buddhist, or Hindu group would do so for those reasons.
 
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Paleocon said:
Satanism is a heinous evil.
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No, that's Christianity.
 
Re: Woman arrested after damaging Satanic display at Florida Capitol

Paleocon said:
No, but the state should remove it.
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Right after they get rid of the other religious displays.
 
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