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    Re: Woman arrested after damaging Satanic display at Florida Capitol

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
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    No, that's not what I am saying. But, these groups aren't out for any realistic recognition of their beliefs, rather they are there to specifically stick a finger in the eye of the rest of us....
    In the case of the satanic display, yes most likely it is just a protest by a group upset with the government allowing a Christian display on government property.

    But what if it was a display by a true religious group rather then a protest display. What if it was a hindu display or Bhuddist display? Would people be upset by the non Christian display and support the vandalism?
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    Re: Woman arrested after damaging Satanic display at Florida Capitol

    Quote Originally Posted by paddymcdougall View Post
    Really? If you get upset when you see a non-christian display, that says more about you than about the motives of the people putting up the display.
    Look, I don't care personally, and I even stated that I thought that the woman who "lost it" and tore down the Satanic display was in the wrong....But, let's be honest...Satanists, Atheists, etc, only do this sort of thing to arouse a reaction...They are nothing better than instigators.
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    Re: Woman arrested after damaging Satanic display at Florida Capitol

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Tammerlain View Post
    In the case of the satanic display, yes most likely it is just a protest by a group upset with the government allowing a Christian display on government property.

    But what if it was a display by a true religious group rather then a protest display. What if it was a hindu display or Bhuddist display? Would people be upset by the non Christian display and support the vandalism?
    Some may...that doesn't make them right either...For instance, I personally think it is rather interesting to see established religions and how they celebrate their holiest days...

    It is likely this woman was truly offended by having to witness this display, but even then, she didn't have the right to tear it down, however, that to me makes no less disgusting that the group that put it up did so to offend. I doubt that a Buddhist, or Hindu group would do so for those reasons.
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    Re: Woman arrested after damaging Satanic display at Florida Capitol

    Quote Originally Posted by Paleocon View Post
    Satanism is a heinous evil.
    No, that's Christianity.
    There is nothing demonstrably true that religion can provide the world that cannot be achieved more rationally through entirely secular means.

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    Re: Woman arrested after damaging Satanic display at Florida Capitol

    Quote Originally Posted by Paleocon View Post
    No, but the state should remove it.
    Right after they get rid of the other religious displays.
    There is nothing demonstrably true that religion can provide the world that cannot be achieved more rationally through entirely secular means.

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    Re: Woman arrested after damaging Satanic display at Florida Capitol

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    The liberties are enough...I no more want government to enforce the absence of religious display, anymore than I want them to endorse them.
    Can you explain what the middle ground is between "enforcing the absence of religious display" and "endorsing religious displays?"
    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    That's just silly, we are no more going to become a Theocracy, than we are a secular nation. It's foolish to believe that we need Government to "protect us" from beliefs.
    Tell me about how you feel about the encroachment of "free speech" or the encroachment of your "right to bear arms?"

    Why shouldn't the encroachment of the establishment of religion be viewed with the same bold lines?
    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Ah, so an all encompassing government control is just fine with you, and you see opposition to that as just people that need to be forced until they see how good it is eh?

    The atheists, and Satanists do things like this IMHO, not because they truly want some sort of equality in the public sphere, but because they think it will upset people, and jab a finger in their eye. Pretty vile if you ask me...
    You're viewing this from the reverse side of things:

    I see limiting government establishment of religion as keeping government controls low. This is not government control, it's keeping religion in the hands of the people. I am not advocating big government secularism, I am advocating small government in establishing religion.

    If you're advocating public establishment, you're the one arguing for greater encompassing government.
    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Allowing a display of a nativity scene, or a Menorah during the holidays is not "showing preference". Government does that by making laws. But, courts have ruled that the minority can tyrannize the majority with the force of Government. I don't believe that was the intent of the Constitution.
    You're mistaking equal access by minorities to "tyranny."

    Equal access isn't "tyrannical." It's equal. It's in the name. Otherwise, it'd be called "tyrannical access."

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    Re: Woman arrested after damaging Satanic display at Florida Capitol

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    Re: Woman arrested after damaging Satanic display at Florida Capitol

    Quote Originally Posted by 1750Texan View Post
    It's like a vampire can not exist if he do not believe in god. If some of the tenants of vampirism is adversion to Holy water and a crucifix...then there must not be any atheist vampires.
    That makes no sense. What are you talking about, in the context of my statement that you quoted?
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    Re: Woman arrested after damaging Satanic display at Florida Capitol

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    Right after they get rid of the other religious displays.
    Where's the Atheist display? The Supreme Court regards Atheism as a religion, after all. Shouldn't there be...I don't know...like a spot set aside for Atheists with absolutely nothing in it?

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    Re: Woman arrested after damaging Satanic display at Florida Capitol

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Some may...that doesn't make them right either...For instance, I personally think it is rather interesting to see established religions and how they celebrate their holiest days...

    It is likely this woman was truly offended by having to witness this display, but even then, she didn't have the right to tear it down, however, that to me makes no less disgusting that the group that put it up did so to offend. I doubt that a Buddhist, or Hindu group would do so for those reasons.
    They did not do it to offend anyone. It was done to shame the group with the Nativity to move it elsewhere. They don't believe religious displays are appropriate on State property. It has the appearance of a State sanctioned religion and appearance is 9 tenths of the law. Sadly it seems many see it as a war between Satan and God, which is comically ludicrous and has nothing to with the aim of the Satanist display.
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