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    Re: Woman arrested after damaging Satanic display at Florida Capitol

    Quote Originally Posted by paddymcdougall View Post
    My issue with this is that we would end up in a "race to the bottom" in many cases. If communities aren't held to a base standard, they will short-change the schools and kids won't get a good education. There are some very poor communities that need state and federal money.

    Or in some communities, they wouldn't be taught science or art or some other subject, based on the biases of that community.

    Local school boards have a lot of control as is; but we need feds to ensure fairness across the country, at least at a base level.
    Yes, many would begin a quick trip to the bottom---but so many schools have had millions wasted and are already at the bottom. Throwing money at the poor has never worked as long as results haven't been demanded.

    Fairness = social justice = socialism/communism. The only way to get real change is to force each area of America be in full charge of their own students. It IS their fault.
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    Re: Woman arrested after damaging Satanic display at Florida Capitol

    Quote Originally Posted by prometeus View Post
    Guess what, they are. So much for your knowledge of the topic.

    How would you know other than repeating some talking point?
    Ignorance of the law is no excuse.

    In two landmark decisions, Engel v. Vitale (1962) and Abington School District v. Schempp (1963), the US Supreme Court established what is now the current prohibition on state-sponsored prayer in schools. While the Engel decision held that the promulgation of an official state-school prayer stood in violation of the First Amendment’s Establishment Clause (thus overruling the New York Courts’ decisions), Abington held that Bible readings and other (state) school-sponsored religious activities were prohibited.[7] Following these two cases came the Court's decision in Lemon v. Kurtzman (1971), a ruling that established the Lemon test for religious activities within schools. The Lemon test states that in order to be constitutional under the Establishment Clause of the First Amendment any practice sponsored within state run schools (or other public, state sponsored activities) must adhere to the following three criteria:[8]
    1.Have a secular purpose;
    2.Must neither advance nor inhibit religion; and
    3.Must not result in an excessive entanglement between government and religion.
    School prayer - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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    Re: Woman arrested after damaging Satanic display at Florida Capitol

    Quote Originally Posted by Flamethrower View Post
    Ignorance of the law is no excuse.
    Yet you did just that and now are attempting to cover it up. How intellectually honest of you...

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    Re: Woman arrested after damaging Satanic display at Florida Capitol

    Quote Originally Posted by Flamethrower View Post
    From an economic standpoint, how foolish would it be waste tax funds and resources on a school in a ghostown? By the same measure why pump in tax money into an economically depressed area such as an inner city wasteland if the locals there do not properly care for and maintain the structures, or allow the funds to be mismanaged? The billions of tax monies dumped into such places has not made them better than they were 50 years ago. Forcing the residents of each school district to be fully accountable is the only was to bring about positive change.

    As far as cirriculum goes, the majority rules. If our leaders want more and more Muslims in the country, then there should be more Islamic controlled neighborhoods and cities that can rightfully teach Islamic doctrine to the children. (Isn't multiculturalism great!?) Same thing for majority Christian areas, if the majority want school prayer and intelligent design allowed in their schools---so be it. Same thing goes for Godless areas populated by atheists and pagans (San Fransciso, Greenwich Village, etc.)---they can righfully expunge all religion and teach only socialistic views.
    Yea after all the goal is to produce more ignorant religious zealots, yes?

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    Re: Woman arrested after damaging Satanic display at Florida Capitol

    Quote Originally Posted by Flamethrower View Post
    Ignorance of the law is no excuse.

    In two landmark decisions, Engel v. Vitale (1962) and Abington School District v. Schempp (1963), the US Supreme Court established what is now the current prohibition on state-sponsored prayer in schools. While the Engel decision held that the promulgation of an official state-school prayer stood in violation of the First Amendment’s Establishment Clause (thus overruling the New York Courts’ decisions), Abington held that Bible readings and other (state) school-sponsored religious activities were prohibited.[7] Following these two cases came the Court's decision in Lemon v. Kurtzman (1971), a ruling that established the Lemon test for religious activities within schools. The Lemon test states that in order to be constitutional under the Establishment Clause of the First Amendment any practice sponsored within state run schools (or other public, state sponsored activities) must adhere to the following three criteria:[8]
    1.Have a secular purpose;
    2.Must neither advance nor inhibit religion; and
    3.Must not result in an excessive entanglement between government and religion.
    School prayer - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    Other than the fact the all involve the Establishment Clause, the Court's older decisions on school prayer that you cite don't have all that much to do with its decisions on religious displays in the public square. The Court did apply the Lemon test thirty years ago in Lynch v. Donnelly, it which it upheld a creche against an Establishment Clause challenge. But at least three justices--Kennedy, Scalia, and Thomas--have not seemed inclined to use the Lemon test in more recent cases.

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    Re: Woman arrested after damaging Satanic display at Florida Capitol

    Quote Originally Posted by prometeus View Post
    Yea after all the goal is to produce more ignorant religious zealots, yes?
    I think America was doing quite well until the Liberal began to ruin it around the 1960's.
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    Re: Woman arrested after damaging Satanic display at Florida Capitol

    Quote Originally Posted by Flamethrower View Post
    I think America was doing quite well until the Liberal began to ruin it around the 1960's.
    Really? women weren't doing that well. Minorities weren't doing that well.

    White men - mostly doing fine. Guess that's why you liked it.

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    Re: Woman arrested after damaging Satanic display at Florida Capitol

    Quote Originally Posted by paddymcdougall View Post
    Really? women weren't doing that well. Minorities weren't doing that well.

    White men - mostly doing fine. Guess that's why you liked it.
    Well I'm not sure I support your view of certain minorities "doing well." Are you happy that there has been at least 3 times as many Blacks murdered (usually by each other) during the last 50 years? Does this satisfy you? How well have minority strongholds in Detroit, Baltimore, Stockton --- and now Ferguson faired in the last 50 years?

    Thanks to welfare and entitlement programs, most women with children are single parents. Looking at the fatherless children who are now the norm in all of the highest crime areas of the US---I beg to differ.

    Your Jim Crow-type excuses for current ills are laughable.
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    Re: Woman arrested after damaging Satanic display at Florida Capitol

    Quote Originally Posted by prometeus View Post
    Yea after all the goal is to produce more ignorant religious zealots, yes?
    It was ignorant religious zealots who insisted that Satan be honored with a display.

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    Re: Woman arrested after damaging Satanic display at Florida Capitol

    Quote Originally Posted by Flamethrower View Post
    I think America was doing quite well until the Liberal began to ruin it around the 1960's.
    Yes of course, after all equal rights and protection from abuses was and remains a bad thing but no worries, soon enough the religious zealots, the ignorants and greedy will go the way of the dodo bird and it will be good again.

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