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    Re: Woman arrested after damaging Satanic display at Florida Capitol

    Quote Originally Posted by paddymcdougall View Post
    Any infant-sacrifice cult - if they actually did that - would be in jail for murder. If they had a display showing infants being sacrificed - they would be in jail for murder as well.

    If someone wants to advocate sacrificing infants - I'm not sure what the penalty is for advocating murder without actually doing it.

    Pretty sure their religion would only be popular with parents of toddlers (that was a joke, everyone!)

    I believe Indian tribes who wanted to smoke peyote as part of their religious rituals were not allowed to do so.

    I personally find the pictures that anti-choicers like to wave around repugnant; but legally they are allowed to show them. I also find the videos of ISIS beheading people repugnant, but they are legal to show.
    Of course you find them repugnant, the truth often hurts.

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    Re: Woman arrested after damaging Satanic display at Florida Capitol

    Quote Originally Posted by matchlight View Post
    That's not an argument, but just a peevish, condescending wisecrack.
    On the contrary, it was spot on, as your comparison was at best idiotic.

    Next time, come ahead--try to match your reasoning ability and knowledge against mine, on this or any other matter of First Amendment law.
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    Re: Woman arrested after damaging Satanic display at Florida Capitol

    Quote Originally Posted by paddymcdougall View Post
    Any infant-sacrifice cult - if they actually did that - would be in jail for murder. If they had a display showing infants being sacrificed - they would be in jail for murder as well.
    What on earth are you talking about? Any state law that defined the crime of murder so broadly as to include graphic depictions of murder would obviously be unconstitutional on due process grounds. You can hardly sentence someone to life in prison for making a drawing or other depiction of a murder.

    If someone wants to advocate sacrificing infants - I'm not sure what the penalty is for advocating murder without actually doing it.
    Advocacy of all sorts of repellent activities, including criminal violence, is speech protected by the First Amendment. To cross the line, the speech must create a clear and present danger of imminent lawless action. To do that, it must be both designed to cause such imminent lawless action and likely to cause it. The Supreme Court established those rules several decades ago in Brandenburg v. Ohio.

    I believe Indian tribes who wanted to smoke peyote as part of their religious rituals were not allowed to do so.
    You may be thinking of the Court's 1990 decision in Employment Division v. Smith, which was a First Amendment Free Exercise case authored by Justice Scalia. It raised a lot of eyebrows by radically narrowing the protection of the right to free exercise of religion from the standard the Court had established in the Sherbert and Yoder decisions. Congress meant to restore the previous broader view by passing the Religious Freedom Restoration Act, which not long ago was the basis for striking down a HHS regulation on contraceptives in the Hobby Lobby case.

    The Court wasn't concerned with whether Smith, an Indian in Oregon, had a legal right to use peyote in his religious ceremonies. The issue was whether an Oregon law that denied unemployment benefits to people who had been terminated for using such substances violated Smith's First Amendment right to free exercise. The Court held it did not--and too bad for Smith.

    I personally find the pictures that anti-choicers like to wave around repugnant; but legally they are allowed to show them. I also find the videos of ISIS beheading people repugnant, but they are legal to show.
    You are talking more there about the freedom of expressive speech. I agree that all sorts of extremely repulsive speech should be protected, as the Court did in upholding the right of members of the Westboro Baptist Chhurch to carry signs denouncing homosexuals near the ceremony in which the grieving parents were burying their son, a U.S. serviceman. (The dead man had not been a homosexual--their beef was with the military's policies regarding homosexuals.) I also agree with the Skokie decision forty years ago that a group of Nazis had the right to march, in full regalia, through a town where many Jews who had survived concentration camps lived.

    But this thread is about religious displays in the public square, and the Court's decisions on that subject have not always been so accommodating of anti-Christian nuts. The Court has in several decisions recognized the important role of Christianity in this country's history and traditions. And it has not seemed willing to say that any damned thing at all has to be tolerated--see, for example, the Summum case I mentioned.
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    Re: Woman arrested after damaging Satanic display at Florida Capitol

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Was that the challenge?? Yes or no without a qualifier?

    You should give the rules before the game starts!
    You should be able to answer yes or no.
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    Re: Woman arrested after damaging Satanic display at Florida Capitol

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Can the other religions ask for space to erect their displays? I think as referenced by the fact that Satanists had a display, the answer would be yes. Also, I don't think that Jews, or Muslims are offended by a nativity scene either....In fact I think the only ones offended by a nativity scene, are the less than 1% of people that don't believe in ****, and want to force everyone else to see it their way, or rain on their day. Miserable people really.
    I can't disagree with you. I was proffering an opinion based on news stories of these kinds of things that I've read and seen over the years. Evangelical Christians are often offended by other depictions of God, but as you say say, many other religion petition for equal time as well. I don't get along with the atheist world view or political perspective on religion. I however do not like a particular religion interloping in public affairs by allowing for instance the ten commandments to be displayed in a court room; which has happened.

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    Re: Woman arrested after damaging Satanic display at Florida Capitol[W:649]

    For all those people who were whining about how these laws are applied only to Christian objects, you are now proven wrong. They will arrest for desecrating non-Christian objects as well.
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    Re: Woman arrested after damaging Satanic display at Florida Capitol

    The space is a "free speeech zone" (which was presumably named as such to sidestep the 1A) As such, any group can set up any display they like. Apparently someone held a confederate flag display there previously. You don't have to be a religious group, so long as you pay the fee.
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    Re: Woman arrested after damaging Satanic display at Florida Capitol

    Quote Originally Posted by Paleocon View Post
    Satanism is a heinous evil.
    What are you talking about? Satanism is awesome dude!
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    Re: Woman arrested after damaging Satanic display at Florida Capitol

    Quote Originally Posted by jet57 View Post
    I can't disagree with you. I was proffering an opinion based on news stories of these kinds of things that I've read and seen over the years. Evangelical Christians are often offended by other depictions of God, but as you say say, many other religion petition for equal time as well. I don't get along with the atheist world view or political perspective on religion. I however do not like a particular religion interloping in public affairs by allowing for instance the ten commandments to be displayed in a court room; which has happened.

    When a religious belief interferes with my day to day life, I apply the first amendment.
    I understand. However surely you know that Moses and the tablets, sans writing have promenence on the facade of the SCOTUS
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    Re: Woman arrested after damaging Satanic display at Florida Capitol

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Was that the challenge?? Yes or no without a qualifier?

    You should give the rules before the game starts!
    I asked you yes or no.

    If you can't understand that...
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