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    Re: Woman arrested after damaging Satanic display at Florida Capitol

    I think the office involved--the state A.G., the county D.A., or whatever--should just decline to prosecute this woman.

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    Re: Woman arrested after damaging Satanic display at Florida Capitol

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Yes, and allowed it, FYI.

    But no, you're wrong. Allowing Satanists their say does not mean that Christians dont get their say. That's just stupid. Freedom means everyone has the same rights and abilities, just because you do not like a message doesn't mean that you cannot state your own or get to silence it. That would be the opposite of freedom.

    So it seems you are rooted firmly in religious tyranny. To which I would say, that's why we have a secular government.
    I feel that each community has the right to decide on their own, and without the Feds sticking their nose into it, what displays they want on their school, streets and courthouses.

    That's called real freedom. Something you have no tolerance for.

    If a gay-lesbo community wants to have a pro-gay display on the the lawn of their city hall, and most citizens of the community are gays---then let them---as long as it isn't too graphic.

    If a city populated by Black supremacists wants to allow violent gangs and thugs to run wild and burn down their own city---then the citizens there should bear the consequences mainly on their own.

    So, if a majority Christian city or county does not want satanic or atheistic displays on their turf, then anti-freedom types like you and the ACLU should not be allowed to butt in.
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    Re: Woman arrested after damaging Satanic display at Florida Capitol

    Quote Originally Posted by Flamethrower View Post
    I feel that each community has the right to decide on their own, and without the Feds sticking their nose into it, what displays they want on their school, streets and courthouses.

    That's called real freedom. Something you have no tolerance for.

    If a gay-lesbo community wants to have a pro-gay display on the the lawn of their city hall, and most citizens of the community are gays---then let them---as long as it isn't too graphic.

    If a city populated by Black supremacists wants to allow violent gangs and thugs to run wild and burn down their own city---then the citizens there should bear the consequences mainly on their own.

    So, if a majority Christian city or county does not want satanic or atheistic displays on their turf, then anti-freedom types like you and the ACLU should not be allowed to butt in.
    luckily the founders were smarter than that.

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    The phrase "tyranny of the majority" (or "tyranny of the masses"), used in discussing systems of democracy and majority rule, involves the scenario in which decisions made by a majority place its interests above those of an individual or minority group, constituting active oppression comparable to that of tyrants and despots. In many cases a disliked ethnic, religious or racial group is deliberately penalized by the majority element acting through the democratic process.

    Supermajority rules, constitutional limits on the powers of a legislative body, and the introduction of a Bill of Rights have been used to counter the problem. A separation of powers may also be implemented to prevent the problem from happening internally in a government.
    But if you consider real freedom to be the ability to oppress ideas or group you dislike, then I guess the concept of freedom is lost on you.

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    Re: Woman arrested after damaging Satanic display at Florida Capitol

    Quote Originally Posted by matchlight View Post
    I think the office involved--the state A.G., the county D.A., or whatever--should just decline to prosecute this woman.
    So another vote against religious freedom.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Woman arrested after damaging Satanic display at Florida Capitol

    Quote Originally Posted by Flamethrower View Post
    Thank you for your info. Given that about 90% of the time the ACLU defends communists over Nazis and Jehovah's Witnessess, and that they similarly go after Christians using the poor excuse of seperation of church and state---the ACLU would be 90% pro-communist.

    As you support the actions of the ACLU---one could determine a similar content in your political agenda.

    If you only have the ridiculous, narrow view that real communism is only about economic totalitarian issues, then no, you would not be a true communist.

    However, if you support the majority of communist tenets, then it would be fair to assume one is mostly a communist.

    BTW, which of the 10 tenets of communism do you not support?
    A) citation needed regarding 90% of ACLU cases "defending communists."

    B) You either didn't read or didn't comprehend the "association fallacy" link I included because your post is still limited to that.

    http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Association_fallacy

    C) the separation of church and state is hardly a "poor excuse" considering the wins the ACLU has made using it.
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    Re: Woman arrested after damaging Satanic display at Florida Capitol

    Quote Originally Posted by Flamethrower View Post
    I feel that each community has the right to decide on their own, and without the Feds sticking their nose into it, what displays they want on their school, streets and courthouses.

    That's called real freedom. Something you have no tolerance for.

    If a gay-lesbo community wants to have a pro-gay display on the the lawn of their city hall, and most citizens of the community are gays---then let them---as long as it isn't too graphic.

    If a city populated by Black supremacists wants to allow violent gangs and thugs to run wild and burn down their own city---then the citizens there should bear the consequences mainly on their own.

    So, if a majority Christian city or county does not want satanic or atheistic displays on their turf, then anti-freedom types like you and the ACLU should not be allowed to butt in.
    Local governments get a lot more leeway, but what you want to do is to silence people you don't like. Hell, your argument would allow.localized slavery, fed should stay oit, yes? That's not freedom, you have no tolerance for real freedom.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Woman arrested after damaging Satanic display at Florida Capitol

    Quote Originally Posted by Hari Seldon View Post
    Who is "We"? Truth be told I don't need you either. You don't even know me other than by some posts on a forum. How exactly "am I part of the problem"? To give you information I am Jewish although non practicing and consider myself agnostic. Not sure about the existence of God other than knowing you and yours sure as hell don't know either. My wife is Catholic and my 2 kids were raised Catholic but neither is religious. They can make up their own mind as far as I'm concerned. I'm a CPA (yea we are truly evil) and my wife is a college professor. I am "white" while she is "black" which means our kids have much better protection from the sun than I do. SPF50 for me and a cap. I consider those that need to force their religious beliefs on others to be "part of the problem".

    Happy Holidays.
    Now I too can see the problem, you are just normal, well other than the CPA bit, but I must say that antlers on the dog is just evil. Hope you and your beautiful family have a Happy and joy filled new year.

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    Re: Woman arrested after damaging Satanic display at Florida Capitol

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    These "Satanists" are not a religion. They are atheists posing as Satanists in order to provoke Christians. Even their own website has the exact stance of an extreme atheist described in it. No matter what they or anyone else says that is all that they are.
    What difference does it make what they are?

    Such actions should not be allowed as it creates unrest and does not lead to a peaceful society.
    Because some people are stupid and intolerant or their faith is too weak?

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    Re: Woman arrested after damaging Satanic display at Florida Capitol

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    So another vote against religious freedom.
    What do you mean by that? Who, other than yourself, set you up as the sole arbiter of the boundaries of religious freedom in the U.S.? Any time you want to debate anything about First Amendment religious freedoms with me, come ahead.

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    Re: Woman arrested after damaging Satanic display at Florida Capitol

    Quote Originally Posted by matchlight View Post
    What do you mean by that? Who, other than yourself, set you up as the sole arbiter of the boundaries of religious freedom in the U.S.? Any time you want to debate anything about First Amendment religious freedoms with me, come ahead.
    You're willing to excuse force and crime against free expression of religion. How does that make you within boundaries of freedom? I fear the intolerant type don't quite understand the full ramifications of freedom.
    Last edited by Ikari; 12-29-14 at 02:40 PM.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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