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    Re: Woman arrested after damaging Satanic display at Florida Capitol

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    It would be better if Unrepresented had said the government was secular, as that would be both on-topic and true.
    Really? I guess you never heard of "we the people" or its meaning is entirely lost on you.

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    Re: Woman arrested after damaging Satanic display at Florida Capitol

    Quote Originally Posted by Flamethrower View Post
    I try to stay on topic. The topic being that anti-Christian efforts to put up Satanic and atheistic displays are first steps in a pro-communist agenda:

    Atheists Karl Marx and Vladmir Lenin

    Karl Marx said "[Religion] is the opium of the people". Marx also stated: "Communism begins from the outset (Owen) with atheism; but atheism is at first far from being communism; indeed, that atheism is still mostly an abstraction.[45]

    Vladimir Lenin similarly wrote regarding atheism and communism: "A Marxist must be a materialist, i.e., an enemy of religion, but a dialectical materialist, i.e., one who treats the struggle against religion not in an abstract way, not on the basis of remote, purely theoretical, never varying preaching, but in a concrete way, on the basis of the class struggle which is going on in practice and is educating the masses more and better than anything else could."[46]

    The atheism in communist regimes has been and continues to be militant atheism and various acts of repression including the razing of thousands of religious buildings and the killing, imprisoning, and oppression of religious leaders and believers.[50]

    The persecution of Christians in the Soviet Union was the result of the violently atheist Soviet government. In the first five years after the October Revolution, 28 bishops and 1,200 priests were murdered, many on the orders of Leon Trotsky. When Joseph Stalin came to power in 1927, he ordered his secret police, under Genrikh Yagoda to intensify persecution of Christians. In the next few years, 50,000 clergy were murdered, many were tortured, including crucifixion. "Russia turned red with the blood of martyrs", said Father Gleb Yakunin of the Russian Orthodox Church.[51] According to Orthodox Church sources, as many as fifty million Orthodox believers may have died in the twentieth century, mainly from persecution by Communists.[52]

    In addition, in the atheistic and communist Soviet Union, 44 anti-religious museums were opened and the largest was the 'The Museum of the History of Religion and Atheism' in Leningrad’s Kazan cathedral.[53] Despite intense effort by the atheistic leaders of the Soviet Union, their efforts were not effective in converting the masses to atheism.[54

    Atheism - Conservapedia

    Of course your fanatical love and devotion to the ACLU, a known communist front, is evidence beyond a reasonable doubt that you support most aspects of communism---except perhaps the abolition of private property or the absoulte control of industry. The model of limited economic freedom in China may be more to your liking.
    This is a more valuable resource for your current line of thinking than conservapedia:

    http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Association_fallacy

    If you read it, you'll begin to appreciate that even though many communists are atheists, not all atheists are communists.
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    Re: Woman arrested after damaging Satanic display at Florida Capitol

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Of course there is reason to be against anything, religious or otherwise, which preaches hatreds. Why should religions be excerpt from criticism? Do you think there is too much Satanophobia out there?
    I don't really know, but in terms of freedom the all religions are capable of belief and expression, even Satanism. Do they actuay preach hatred, or is this more of your supposition? In the end, you either support this vandalism and stand against religious freedom or you condemn it and stand with religious freedom.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    "I should have loved freedom, I believe, at all times, but in the time in which we live I am ready to worship it."

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    Re: Woman arrested after damaging Satanic display at Florida Capitol

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Look, I don't care personally, and I even stated that I thought that the woman who "lost it" and tore down the Satanic display was in the wrong....But, let's be honest...Satanists, Atheists, etc, only do this sort of thing to arouse a reaction...They are nothing better than instigators.
    Some, maybe, but fact is that some intents by right wing Christians has to be checked lest we end up with tyranny by them.

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    Re: Woman arrested after damaging Satanic display at Florida Capitol

    Quote Originally Posted by countryboy View Post
    Religion is not synonymous with theocracy.
    True and I had no intention of equating them. Sorry if I was not that clear.

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    Re: Woman arrested after damaging Satanic display at Florida Capitol

    Quote Originally Posted by Paleocon View Post
    Jefferson was wrong.
    Now who can argue with that?

    Thank God our nation was not founded by people who wanted to maintain a medieval theocracy but by intelligent rational people who valued freedom.

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    Re: Woman arrested after damaging Satanic display at Florida Capitol

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    I don't know what they'd do, supposition is pointless. They allowed slavery, so should we go back to that too?

    The here and now, and in the here and now you argue against religious freedom. I disagree, I think religious freedom needs to be upheld.
    Your ideas are relative. Tolerance of one thing means intolerance of another.

    Supporting the freedoms of satanists means not supporting the Christians.

    P.S. The Founders did address slavery in the USConstitution.
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    Re: Woman arrested after damaging Satanic display at Florida Capitol

    Quote Originally Posted by countryboy View Post
    Sure, you can say you've answered it, but you have not.
    Sure you can deny that he has, but that does not mean he has not.

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    Re: Woman arrested after damaging Satanic display at Florida Capitol

    Quote Originally Posted by Flamethrower View Post
    Your ideas are relative. Tolerance of one thing means intolerance of another.

    Supporting the freedoms of satanists means not supporting the Christians.

    P.S. The Founders did address slavery in the USConstitution.
    Yes, and allowed it, FYI.

    But no, you're wrong. Allowing Satanists their say does not mean that Christians dont get their say. That's just stupid. Freedom means everyone has the same rights and abilities, just because you do not like a message doesn't mean that you cannot state your own or get to silence it. That would be the opposite of freedom.

    So it seems you are rooted firmly in religious tyranny. To which I would say, that's why we have a secular government.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    "I should have loved freedom, I believe, at all times, but in the time in which we live I am ready to worship it."

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    Re: Woman arrested after damaging Satanic display at Florida Capitol

    Quote Originally Posted by Unrepresented View Post
    This is a more valuable resource for your current line of thinking than conservapedia:

    Association fallacy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    If you read it, you'll begin to appreciate that even though many communists are atheists, not all atheists are communists.
    Thank you for your info. Given that about 90% of the time the ACLU defends communists over Nazis and Jehovah's Witnessess, and that they similarly go after Christians using the poor excuse of seperation of church and state---the ACLU would be 90% pro-communist.

    As you support the actions of the ACLU---one could determine a similar content in your political agenda.

    If you only have the ridiculous, narrow view that real communism is only about economic totalitarian issues, then no, you would not be a true communist.

    However, if you support the majority of communist tenets, then it would be fair to assume one is mostly a communist.

    BTW, which of the 10 tenets of communism do you not support?
    “Egotist, n. A person of low taste, more interested in himself than in me.”
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