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    Re: Woman arrested after damaging Satanic display at Florida Capitol

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    No, it's not about either of those things. It is about a woman defacing a Satanic display
    because it was on govt property
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    Re: Woman arrested after damaging Satanic display at Florida Capitol

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Yes, and she was wrong, as I have said from the start. But what offends you about seeing a nativity scene? Or a Buddha? Or Mohammad?
    None of that personally offends me, it's the principle of the thing. Public land is supposed to be representative of the whole, not just the majority. By law, the government cannot promote one religion above another, hence you have to allow all religions to put up displays on public land, or you can allow no religions to put up displays on public land. One is absurd, many state and local governments have realized that they quickly run out of space for such things and still cannot cater to all. The other is the only one that makes any sense. If Christians or Buddhists or Muslims want to put up displays, they are more than welcome to do it on private property that they own, or which has given them permission. There's no end to that kind of land being available. Keep all religious displays off public property and there won't be any more problems, except from people who want to pretend that their religion is supported by the state.
    There is nothing demonstrably true that religion can provide the world that cannot be achieved more rationally through entirely secular means.

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    Re: Woman arrested after damaging Satanic display at Florida Capitol

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    I like the way the right supports a small govt that doesn't get involved in people's lives

    except when it comes to sex and religion....then they're not just fine with govt intrusion into our lives -- they enthusiastically support it.
    Well, they're supposed to, they just don't. That's why the neo-con religious right in this country isn't conservative, they're liberal. Conservatives want to keep the government the hell out of people's lives. Anyone who doesn't, isn't conservative.
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    Re: Woman arrested after damaging Satanic display at Florida Capitol

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    because it was on govt property
    Well, it was on public property, collectively owned by all of us. The government just oversees it.
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    Re: Woman arrested after damaging Satanic display at Florida Capitol

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    The only freedom from is contextually in religion being entangled in government in a way that dictates legislation. Your argument is one that would banish any religion from the public square period, and that is not what was intended.
    Freedom from describes only the legislative part in my view. It also describes freedom from a forced influence, like the ten commandments in a court room. I feel the same way about forced nationalism as well.
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    Re: Woman arrested after damaging Satanic display at Florida Capitol

    Quote Originally Posted by countryboy View Post
    Actually, you can't have from, if you have of. There is no freedom from religion, there's a church on practically block in America, sometimes two or three.
    Religion is a derivative. We get from before we get of. We can have five churches on every block, but nobody has to go. That is a form of freedom from religion. Freedom of religion is what puts five churches on every block.
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    Re: Woman arrested after damaging Satanic display at Florida Capitol

    Quote Originally Posted by jet57 View Post
    Freedom of religion is what puts five churches on every block.
    That's true, but you must see them at least out of the corner of your eye, and we all know that just pisses you libs off no end.

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    Re: Woman arrested after damaging Satanic display at Florida Capitol

    Quote Originally Posted by countryboy View Post
    That's true, but you must see them at least out of the corner of your eye, and we all know that just pisses you libs off no end.
    Well, I'm not a lib and I go to church often; when I feel like it. But nobody makes me go. Big difference. Moreover, your post is a classic example of why freedom from religion is so important in the US and why the constitution included the "freedom clause" to begin with.

    Thank you so much for proving that.
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    Re: Woman arrested after damaging Satanic display at Florida Capitol

    Quote Originally Posted by countryboy View Post
    That's true, but you must see them at least out of the corner of your eye, and we all know that just pisses you libs off no end.
    Don't remember liberals ever blocking the construction of a religious facility. Of course I could have missed it. I DO remember christians blocking construction of mosques.

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    Re: Woman arrested after damaging Satanic display at Florida Capitol

    Quote Originally Posted by countryboy View Post
    Why would anyone be offended by a nativity scene? Serious question.
    I hate babies. I don't want to see a shrine dedicated to the birth of one. How's that?
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