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    Re: Woman arrested after damaging Satanic display at Florida Capitol

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    What some here fail to see is that throwing Christianity off of public land is more damaging to religious freedom than someone defacing a display.
    How?

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    Re: Woman arrested after damaging Satanic display at Florida Capitol

    Quote Originally Posted by paddymcdougall View Post
    Just that I'm having someone else's religious beliefs thrust in front of me. It's not a huge offense, and it happens all the time all over the place, so I've gotten used to it. But what is MORE offensive to me is someone saying only their religion can be in the public weal.

    It's like people saying "well, it's ok if they are gay, but do they have to flaunt it?" while all around us heterosexuality is being flaunted right, left, top, bottom, and center.

    We have christianity thrust in our faces all over the place, but somehow if we put up a display for a different religion, we are the problem. THAT is what is offensive. Christianity's demand to be the only religion displayed.

    I'm not saying you do that; but that is the attitude of way too many christians in this country.
    I try not to, and as we see in many things those who embrace something fervently can be overbearing. But in recent years I think that has receded in the "in your face" aspect....I also, don't think that Christians, (a pretty broad brush there) are saying that only their religion should be recognized in this country. That I believe is a false narrative of those in the minority in this country that believe other things and don't like that the country is roughly 80% Christian. I don't see Christian's attacking Jewish displays, do you?

    We often in here have fierce discussions about the "division" in this country, and who is to blame....Are repubs, are demo's, progressives, conservatives, communists, fascists...etc...Yet here is a clear example of a national holiday that is supposed to foster good will, kindness, charity, and family....This holiday is built around something that is not only a factual historical event, (even if the actual date is in dispute) but in the birth of a man who's sole purpose seems to have been to exclaim love toward one another, and was killed for it.

    The nativity is a representation of the birth of Christ, that's all....Do you also get offended when you see the birth pics of your friends, or family's newborn children? Do you take to FB to denounce them, and say that you are posting abortion pics just to even things out? I suspect not...No, I don't really think that the nativity offends those that say it does, as much as it makes them feel guilty. So they act out like undisciplined children.
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    Re: Woman arrested after damaging Satanic display at Florida Capitol

    I like the way the right supports a small govt that doesn't get involved in people's lives

    except when it comes to sex and religion....then they're not just fine with govt intrusion into our lives -- they enthusiastically support it.
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    Re: Woman arrested after damaging Satanic display at Florida Capitol

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post

    The nativity is a representation of the birth of Christ, that's all....Do you also get offended when you see the birth pics of your friends, or family's newborn children? Do you take to FB to denounce them, and say that you are posting abortion pics just to even things out? I suspect not...No, I don't really think that the nativity offends those that say it does, as much as it makes them feel guilty. So they act out like undisciplined children.
    Please don't assume you know what other people are feeling. I never feel guilty when I look at a nativity scene. And I never act out like an undisciplined child around one. And it is NOT the nativity scene per se that offends me (as the woman in the op was offended by the mere existence of the satanist display). What offends me is when they are the only scene allowed.

    There have been some beautifully done nativity scenes - from an artistic viewpoint I can admire them. And I won't admit how often I've choked up to the song "Little Drummer Boy".

    Again, the offensive part - which hopefully is dying out as you say - is the thrusting it in my face as the only religion out there, being told it's the "truth", being told I must feel guilty if I don't like it.

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    Re: Woman arrested after damaging Satanic display at Florida Capitol

    Quote Originally Posted by paddymcdougall View Post
    If I am expected to have to look at someone else's religious icons, I expect all religions - and all groups, religious or not - to be allowed to put displays on public property.
    Aww, that's such a cute little notion of "fairness"! Alas, if only you had broken out the crayons and wrote it on a nice, big piece of construction paper.

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    Re: Woman arrested after damaging Satanic display at Florida Capitol

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    I try not to, and as we see in many things those who embrace something fervently can be overbearing. But in recent years I think that has receded in the "in your face" aspect....I also, don't think that Christians, (a pretty broad brush there) are saying that only their religion should be recognized in this country. That I believe is a false narrative of those in the minority in this country that believe other things and don't like that the country is roughly 80% Christian. I don't see Christian's attacking Jewish displays, do you?

    We often in here have fierce discussions about the "division" in this country, and who is to blame....Are repubs, are demo's, progressives, conservatives, communists, fascists...etc...Yet here is a clear example of a national holiday that is supposed to foster good will, kindness, charity, and family....This holiday is built around something that is not only a factual historical event, (even if the actual date is in dispute) but in the birth of a man who's sole purpose seems to have been to exclaim love toward one another, and was killed for it.

    The nativity is a representation of the birth of Christ, that's all....Do you also get offended when you see the birth pics of your friends, or family's newborn children? Do you take to FB to denounce them, and say that you are posting abortion pics just to even things out? I suspect not...No, I don't really think that the nativity offends those that say it does, as much as it makes them feel guilty. So they act out like undisciplined children.
    I will ask again:

    Other than the christians who got offended by the satanists display, who is getting offended by any religious display?

    If you can't answer that, then I suggest you stop lying about what other people think.
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    Re: Woman arrested after damaging Satanic display at Florida Capitol

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    This holiday is built around something that is not only a factual historical event, (even if the actual date is in dispute)
    That's not even debatable.

    The entire birth of Jesus, regardless of how cool it is, has no verifiable basis in proven fact.

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    Re: Woman arrested after damaging Satanic display at Florida Capitol

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Other than christians taking offense at the Satanists display, who has taken offense at any religious display and why?
    Morning Sangha...I think it is more than just Christian's that take offense at a display honoring Satan, at a holiday meant to offer recognition of the Birth of Christ. Islam comes to mind....Although Christ was not, as Christians believe the physical embodiment of God himself, they do recognize Jesus as a prophet. Being the case, Why no Satinist's erecting this type of display in say, the ME? I don't think it would be too accepted there.
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    Re: Woman arrested after damaging Satanic display at Florida Capitol

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Morning Sangha...I think it is more than just Christian's that take offense at a display honoring Satan, at a holiday meant to offer recognition of the Birth of Christ. Islam comes to mind....Although Christ was not, as Christians believe the physical embodiment of God himself, they do recognize Jesus as a prophet. Being the case, Why no Satinist's erecting this type of display in say, the ME? I don't think it would be too accepted there.
    I didn't ask about your thoughts or your lies - I asked for some facts

    Who, besides some christians, has taken offense at any religious display on public property? You keep claiming that someone is taking offense but won't say who it is so I believe that you are posting lies.
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    Re: Woman arrested after damaging Satanic display at Florida Capitol

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    I didn't ask about your thoughts or your lies - I asked for some facts

    Who, besides some christians, has taken offense at any religious display on public property? You keep claiming that someone is taking offense but won't say who it is so I believe that you are posting lies.
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