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Woman arrested after damaging Satanic display at Florida Capitol[W:649]

Re: Woman arrested after damaging Satanic display at Florida Capitol

I read the definition as having an "or" in it: Theocracy is a form of government in which the clergy is officially recognized as the civil Ruler and official policy is governed by officials regarded as divinely guided, or is pursuant to the doctrine of a particular religion or religious group.

As for SCOTUS shutting it down, it has. That's why we're discussing the woman attacking the Satanic display. Because in order to stay within the Establishment Clause - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia, you have to allow all religious views access if you allow one. It's either Christmas displays plus Satanic ones, or no Christmas displays at all.

Here's what Merriam Webster has to say:
: a form of government in which a country is ruled by religious leaders

: a country that is ruled by religious leaders

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/theocracy

How about that conservative stalwart, google:
the·oc·ra·cy
THēˈäkrəsē/Submit
noun
a system of government in which priests rule in the name of God or a god.
the commonwealth of Israel from the time of Moses until the election of Saul as King.

https://www.google.com/search?q=the...0j0.4283j0j7&sourceid=chrome&es_sm=0&ie=UTF-8

Not sure where you got your definition, but I'm glad you're enjoying your gift. :roll:
 
Re: Woman arrested after damaging Satanic display at Florida Capitol

Here's what Merriam Webster has to say:

Theocracy - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary

How about that conservative stalwart, google:

https://www.google.com/search?q=the...0j0.4283j0j7&sourceid=chrome&es_sm=0&ie=UTF-8

Not sure where you got your definition, but I'm glad you're enjoying your gift. :roll:
Picked it up off Wikipedia which I linked to after my definition in the first post.

It's Greek. "Theo" means God and "cracy" means rule. Democracy is "people ruled," theocracy is "god ruled." The definitions may differ slightly from source to source, but I don't really see the direct inclusion of the priestly class as being a significant issue in the argument.
 
Re: Woman arrested after damaging Satanic display at Florida Capitol

Picked it up off Wikipedia which I linked to after my definition in the first post.

It's Greek. "Theo" means God and "cracy" means rule. Democracy is "people ruled," theocracy is "god ruled." The definitions may differ slightly from source to source, but I don't really see the direct inclusion of the priestly class as being a significant issue in the argument.

Of course you don't, because that would interfere with your meme. I think Webster is a pretty well respected dictionary.

You still haven't explained how we go from a Christmas decoration on the little town square, to full blown theocracy.
 
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Oh the irony. Did you really just say that? Isn't that what this entire debate is all about? Militant atheists who equate a Christmas decoration with theocracy? You people are sumpthin' else. :roll:

I've never seen something go right over someone's head as fast as that did
 
Re: Woman arrested after damaging Satanic display at Florida Capitol

Picked it up off Wikipedia which I linked to after my definition in the first post.

It's Greek. "Theo" means God and "cracy" means rule. Democracy is "people ruled," theocracy is "god ruled." The definitions may differ slightly from source to source, but I don't really see the direct inclusion of the priestly class as being a significant issue in the argument.

And cb will not see it in any other way because it would interfere with his meme

Some people are a waste of time. Often, those people are religious christians who are conservative
 
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Of course you don't, because that would interfere with your meme. I think Webster is a pretty well respected dictionary.

You still haven't explained how we go from a Christmas decoration on the little town square, to full blown theocracy.
Theocracy is a government dictated by religious principles. Establishing and endorsing a religion is a step towards a government that's dictated by religious principles.

I don't think that's a stretch.
 
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Theocracy is a government dictated by religious principles. Establishing and endorsing a religion is a step towards a government that's dictated by religious principles.

I don't think that's a stretch.

You can think whatever you want, but you have yet to demonstrate how exactly that could happen.
 
Re: Woman arrested after damaging Satanic display at Florida Capitol

You can think whatever you want, but you have yet to demonstrate how exactly that could happen.
You can't have a theocracy without a state established and endorsed religion. It's impossible. This would be a fundamental first step.
 
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While incorrect, her actions are understandable and it should be pointed out that this sort of thing wouldn't happen if they didn't allow this heinous evil to occur in the first place.

Yes, but vandalism is still vandalism.
 
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No, but the state should remove it.

If you deny one form of religious expression on public land, then you must deny all.
 
Re: Woman arrested after damaging Satanic display at Florida Capitol

You can't have a theocracy without a state established and endorsed religion. It's impossible. This would be a fundamental first step.
How? How exactly do you progress from Christmas decoration to theocracy? If you don't really know, just say so.

If Christmas decorations on the little town square were a "fundamental first step", then why haven't we progressed towards a theocracy yet? How long does this progression take? 100 years? 200? 1000?
 
Re: Woman arrested after damaging Satanic display at Florida Capitol

Why should they, it's a predominantly Christian country.

With an secular government.
 
Re: Woman arrested after damaging Satanic display at Florida Capitol

Yes, but vandalism is still vandalism.

So you would be against vandalizing any religious display, right?
 
Re: Woman arrested after damaging Satanic display at Florida Capitol

So you would be against vandalizing any religious display, right?

Of course, vandalism is vandalism. It's silly to insinuate that there would be a difference based on religious belief.
 
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So you would be against vandalizing any religious display, right?

Why wouldn't he be? What ridiculous caricature have you conjured up for yourself?
 
Re: Woman arrested after damaging Satanic display at Florida Capitol

Why wouldn't he be? What ridiculous caricature have you conjured up for yourself?

Calm down, it was just a question. If it's true, where are his posts concerning the vandalizing of Christmas displays?
 
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"The bill for establishing religious freedom, the principles of which had, to a certain degree, been enacted before, I had drawn in all the latitude of reason and right. It still met with opposition; but, with some mutilations in the preamble, it was finally passed; and a singular proposition proved that its protection of opinion was meant to be universal. Where the preamble declares, that coercion is a departure from the plan of the holy author of our religion, an amendment was proposed, by inserting the word "Jesus Christ," so that it should read, "a departure from the plan of Jesus Christ, the holy author of our religion;" the insertion was rejected by a great majority, in proof that they meant to comprehend, within the mantle of its protection, the Jew and the Gentile, the Christian and Mahometan, the Hindoo, and Infidel of every denomination."

~Thomas Jefferson

Jefferson was wrong.

If you deny one form of religious expression on public land, then you must deny all.

Does not follow. They could very well deny one but not the other.
 
Re: Woman arrested after damaging Satanic display at Florida Capitol

How? How exactly do you progress from Christmas decoration to theocracy? If you don't really know, just say so.

If Christmas decorations on the little town square were a "fundamental first step", then why haven't we progressed towards a theocracy yet? How long does this progression take? 100 years? 200? 1000?
We live in a system of legal precedence. Establishing religion, even if just for a small town, potentially rewrites a significant aspect of the first amendment and changes the role of government.
 
Re: Woman arrested after damaging Satanic display at Florida Capitol

Calm down, it was just a question. If it's true, where are his posts concerning the vandalizing of Christmas displays?

Where are yours?
 
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And cb will not see it in any other way because it would interfere with his meme

Some people are a waste of time. Often, those people are religious christians who are conservative

Good point. I won't bother with CB anymore myself on this thread.
 
Re: Woman arrested after damaging Satanic display at Florida Capitol

Jefferson was wrong.



Does not follow. They could very well deny one but not the other.

Government is not theocracy, it cannot allow one but deny others, not while upholding the rights and liberties of others. Religious expression on public land is an all or nothing scenario in a free Republic.
 
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We live in a system of legal precedence. Establishing religion, even if just for a small town, potentially rewrites a significant aspect of the first amendment and changes the role of government.

That's not what I asked. If what you say is true, why haven't we hurtled towards theocracy yet?
 
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Jefferson was wrong.



Does not follow. They could very well deny one but not the other.

Yes, we know you disagree with a fundamental founding principle of this country. We can't help you with this problem.
 
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That's not what I asked. If what you say is true, why haven't we hurtled towards theocracy yet?

Because enough people still believe in religious freedom, thankfully.
 
Re: Woman arrested after damaging Satanic display at Florida Capitol

Because enough people still believe in religious freedom, thankfully.

Thank you for demonstrating that a Christmas display on the little town square is not a "fundamental step toward theocracy".
 
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