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    Re: Woman arrested after damaging Satanic display at Florida Capitol

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    Good Lord...what horrible reasoning. Christianity existed before the United States, therefore it's not "establishing" a religion. Guess you feel the same about Islam? That also existed before the United States.
    Of course. The government is not establishing Islam as a religion either.

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    Re: Woman arrested after damaging Satanic display at Florida Capitol

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    No one established, or tried to establish, any religion. Christianity was established well before the United States even existed. What is under discussion is public displays and they are usually granted, especially when a celebration occurs.
    Your world and US history is really lacking. The non establishment clause was specifically designed for the religious zealots. It meant that everybody else could just live their lives without worrying about "absolute interloping" and suppression control.
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    Re: Woman arrested after damaging Satanic display at Florida Capitol

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    Good Lord...what horrible reasoning. Christianity existed before the United States, therefore it's not "establishing" a religion. Guess you feel the same about Islam? That also existed before the United States.

    So what are the Satanists celebrating during Christmas?
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    Re: Woman arrested after damaging Satanic display at Florida Capitol

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    It has clearly become a part of the Presidential Oath of Office, which even Barrack Obama repeated. 'So help me God' isn't in official presidential oath
    If President Obama, a Christian by the way, or any other President wishes to say "So help me god", they have every right to do so - it is optional, a personal decision - the meaning of 'optional'
    “And I have no doubt that every new example will succeed, as every past one has done, in shewing that religion & Govt will both exist in greater purity, the less they are mixed together.”
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    Re: Woman arrested after damaging Satanic display at Florida Capitol

    Quote Originally Posted by jet57 View Post
    Your world and US history is really lacking. The non establishment clause was specifically designed for the religious zealots. It meant that everybody else could just live their lives without worrying about "absolute interloping" and suppression control.
    Here is what it says and zealots are not mentioned.

    Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
    Since that time the courts have interpreted it differently, according to the times and constant 're-interpretations', but the Constitution speaks for itself. The Courts have drifted away but the Constitution remains the same.

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    Re: Woman arrested after damaging Satanic display at Florida Capitol

    Quote Originally Posted by Somerville View Post
    If President Obama, a Christian by the way, or any other President wishes to say "So help me god", they have every right to do so - it is optional, a personal decision - the meaning of 'optional'
    Yes, it is optional but obviously 'un-secular' as well.

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    Re: Woman arrested after damaging Satanic display at Florida Capitol

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    So what are the Satanists celebrating during Christmas?
    They celebrate their birthdays, but even that is optional.

    F.A.Q. Holidays | churchofsatan.com

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    Re: Woman arrested after damaging Satanic display at Florida Capitol

    Quote Originally Posted by jet57 View Post
    Your world and US history is really lacking. The non establishment clause was specifically designed for the religious zealots. It meant that everybody else could just live their lives without worrying about "absolute interloping" and suppression control.
    I believe it is called "the establishment clause". And is called that because the founders were fleeing a religiously run government in England. The way you term it as "the non establishment clause" you are consciously inferring a freedom from religion, when in fact it is the exact opposite.

    Now for the record, and as a Christian, raised Roman Catholic, since lapsed, I don't really have an objection to people displaying what they want, as long as we can all respect each others right to believe what we want....That word "respect" goes further than just me allowing non believers to be assholes to those that believe, and vice versa. It means not doing things specifically to disrespect what others celebrate as holy to them....I doubt truly that Satinists do what they do with any respect at all, so in my eyes they don't deserve such.
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    Re: Woman arrested after damaging Satanic display at Florida Capitol

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    No one established, or tried to establish, any religion. Christianity was established well before the United States even existed. What is under discussion is public displays and they are usually granted, especially when a celebration occurs.
    We both know that I'm referring to the Establishment Clause - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia not the establishment of Christianity itself.
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    Do you know something about Communism?
    I minored in PoliSci. I know something about various political ideologies and practices.

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    Re: Woman arrested after damaging Satanic display at Florida Capitol

    Quote Originally Posted by Unrepresented View Post
    We both know that I'm referring to the Establishment Clause - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia not the establishment of Christianity itself.
    Here's the ruling on Christmas decorations, and they appear to be 'passive'.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lynch_v._Donnelly
    I minored in PoliSci. I know something about various political ideologies and practices.
    The practice of Communism was especially brutal, as you would know.

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