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    Re: Woman arrested after damaging Satanic display at Florida Capitol

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    And "coincidentally", they are all both right wing and christian.
    Oh no, about half are, the other half are crazy liberal wingnuts.
    There is nothing demonstrably true that religion can provide the world that cannot be achieved more rationally through entirely secular means.

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    Re: Woman arrested after damaging Satanic display at Florida Capitol

    Quote Originally Posted by Unrepresented View Post
    The one glaring omission in your analogy is that religion is specifically listed in the Bill of Rights as being unavailable for public establishment. Sports teams escaped the forefathers entirely.
    No one established, or tried to establish, any religion. Christianity was established well before the United States even existed. What is under discussion is public displays and they are usually granted, especially when a celebration occurs.

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    Re: Woman arrested after damaging Satanic display at Florida Capitol

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    There is no "and", the government is secular.
    Who taught you this?
    I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office on which I am about to enter. So help me God.

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    Re: Woman arrested after damaging Satanic display at Florida Capitol

    Quote Originally Posted by Unrepresented View Post
    I think you're throwing around words you consider pejorative with either a disrespect or ignorance of their actual meaning. Again, you're still not showing me examples of their economic cases, which are really the hallmark of an economic position like communism.
    Do you know something about Communism?

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    Re: Woman arrested after damaging Satanic display at Florida Capitol

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    Perhaps I shouldn't be surprised, but it's funny how this thread became an excuse for righttards to just toss insults around using words that they don't really understand, but know they're bad because they heard them used on the radio.
    So you changed from the Christmas music station to one where you discovered new words?

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    Re: Woman arrested after damaging Satanic display at Florida Capitol

    Quote Originally Posted by paddymcdougall View Post
    The reindeer? or baby jeezus?

    I actually took that from a letter written by a guy who said he is a christian (and I have no reason to doubt him); he wrote the letter to the MRFF (Military Religious Freedom Foundation). The full quote from the end of his letter:

    "I don't care if it rains or freezes -- cause I have my plastic Jeezus!"

    I thought it was pretty cute. He went on to say to the woman who helps run MRFF "Won't you take Jeezus as your Saviour - my precious little Jew Woman!"

    I figure if christians can spell it jeezus, so can I
    It's from a movie. Then you claim it was one Christian and still pluralized it.

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    Re: Woman arrested after damaging Satanic display at Florida Capitol

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Who taught you this?
    I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office on which I am about to enter. So help me God.
    That last sentence, the bolded words, is no longer a requirement for US military or civilian government employees. It is optional
    “And I have no doubt that every new example will succeed, as every past one has done, in shewing that religion & Govt will both exist in greater purity, the less they are mixed together.”
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    Re: Woman arrested after damaging Satanic display at Florida Capitol

    Quote Originally Posted by matchlight View Post
    For the most part, I agree with what you say. People who believe this should remain a free country have to have the courage to fight this poisonous hostility toward religion, even if the fight costs a lot of money. I like the passages from School Dist. of Abington Township v. Schempp, the 1963 decision Justice Breyer quoted from in his concurring opinion in Van Orden v. Perry in 2005. In Abington Township, Justice Goldberg, joined by Justice Harlan, wrote this:

    "[U]ntutored devotion to the concept of neutrality can lead to invocation or approval of results which partake not simply of that noninterference and noninvolvement with the religious which the Constitution commands, but of a brooding and pervasive devotion to the secular and a passive, or even active, hostility to the religious . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
    The First Amendment does not prohibit practices which by any realistic measure create none of the dangers which it is designed to prevent and which do not so directly or substantially involve the state in religious exercise or in the favoring of religion as to have meaningful and practical impact." (italics mine)


    I would tell the people who are trying to purge all religion from American public life to stuff it right up their jacks--and if they wanted to sue, to come right ahead and get their heads handed to them.
    Seems Chesterton was right.
    The nineteenth century decided to have no religious authority. The twentieth century seems disposed to have any religious authority.

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    Re: Woman arrested after damaging Satanic display at Florida Capitol

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    No one established, or tried to establish, any religion. Christianity was established well before the United States even existed. What is under discussion is public displays and they are usually granted, especially when a celebration occurs.
    Good Lord...what horrible reasoning. Christianity existed before the United States, therefore it's not "establishing" a religion. Guess you feel the same about Islam? That also existed before the United States.


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    This issue has been plowed more times than Paris Hilton.
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    Too bad we have to observe human rights.

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    Re: Woman arrested after damaging Satanic display at Florida Capitol

    Quote Originally Posted by Somerville View Post
    That last sentence, the bolded words, is no longer a requirement for US military or civilian government employees. It is optional
    It has clearly become a part of the Presidential Oath of Office, which even Barrack Obama repeated. 'So help me God' isn't in official presidential oath

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