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    Re: Woman arrested after damaging Satanic display at Florida Capitol

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    Santa isn't a religious figure. The ones who go around saying "Santa = Satan" aren't atheists.
    OMG, if you take the "n" from the middle of Santa and move it to the end it spells Satan! Santa is Satan. No wonder he wears a red suit. I see the resemblance now. We must start a war on Santa/Satan!

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    Re: Woman arrested after damaging Satanic display at Florida Capitol

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    But Jesus doesn't. Imagine that.
    When was Jesus ever a part of a Thanksgiving parade anywhere?
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    Re: Woman arrested after damaging Satanic display at Florida Capitol

    Quote Originally Posted by paddymcdougall View Post
    Are there many public displays in your town during Ramadan?
    Yes, in fact there is. I am now living in a area of the city where there is an abundance of Hindus and Muslims. I attend there get togethers.

    In fact my 4 year old granddaughter is the only white child in her pre-school class and yet a dark skinned Santa Claus still visited, with no complaints raised by anyone. These people understand the cultural importance of Christmas, while many others apparently do not. This does not deflect from the importance they hold for their own religion.

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    Re: Woman arrested after damaging Satanic display at Florida Capitol

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    And there is a very secular side to Christmas as well.
    Kinda hard to do when the word Christ is in there. Wouldn't it be called Secularmas? Doesn't have the same ring to it.

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    Re: Woman arrested after damaging Satanic display at Florida Capitol

    Quote Originally Posted by polgara View Post
    Greetings, Vesper.

    I'm so happy that you took the time to research this! I'll bet I was not the only one who did not know that every State Constitution makes reference to a Supreme being. How fitting for this time of year, and the holiday we just celebrated!
    Hi Pol, I found it ironic as our Constitution does not mention a Supreme being yet the Declaration of Independence does. It references a Supreme Being 5 different times.
    "Laws of Nature and of Nature’s God" are the first two. Actually these are the words of Cicero the philosopher, 1st Century B. C like other early philosophers believed there was a source of higher law that never changes. From Cicero “Nor may any other law override it, nor may it be repealed as a whole or in part… Nor is it one thing at Rome and another at Athens, one thing today and another tomorrow, but one eternal and unalterable law, that binds all nations forever.” Of “Nature’s God,” the second reference to deity is, of course, more explicit and needs no explanation.

    The third reference to God is the word “Creator” found in the second paragraph. “We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.”

    The fourth is Supreme Judge in the last paragraph. “We, therefore, the Representatives of the United States of America, in General Congress, Assembled, appealing to the Supreme Judge of the world for the rectitude of our intentions, do, in the Name, and by Authority of the good People of these Colonies, solemnly publish and declare, That these united Colonies are, and of Right ought to be Free and Independent States, that they are Absolved from all Allegiance to the British Crown…”

    The fifth and last reference to a Supreme Being is Divine Providence. “And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of Divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our Lives, our Fortunes, and our sacred Honor.”

    In this great country you have the right to believe or not believe in anything you want. And people need to respect that because if they don't they risk losing their own religious freedom.

    However, the closer government becomes to the people (state, local) the less secular it becomes as evident in state constitutions. But even then, no one has the right to "force" their beliefs onto another. While I am sure the Satanist display was set up to mock those of faith during the holiday season, what do you expect from a Satanist? Same with some atheist groups who seem to be working overtime to tear down religious symbols important to others. Or recently in the news where Muslims complained about a crucifix and it was removed. There are plenty of examples of intolerance in our society.
    Last edited by vesper; 12-26-14 at 11:28 PM.

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    Re: Woman arrested after damaging Satanic display at Florida Capitol

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    I'm not denying that.
    Since we only have to give account for what we do, I'm okay with that!

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    Re: Woman arrested after damaging Satanic display at Florida Capitol

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Yes, in fact there is. I am now living in a area of the city where there is an abundance of Hindus and Muslims. I attend there get togethers.

    In fact my 4 year old granddaughter is the only white child in her pre-school class and yet a dark skinned Santa Claus still visited, with no complaints raised by anyone. These people understand the cultural importance of Christmas, while many others apparently do not. This does not deflect from the importance they hold for their own religion.
    Was your daughter required to get on her knees and start praying to the Santa?
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    Re: Woman arrested after damaging Satanic display at Florida Capitol

    Quote Originally Posted by paddymcdougall View Post
    Separation of state and sports is NOT in the constitution, last I checked. (and yes, not those exact words, but that is the meaning that has been upheld over the centuries)
    I was responding to the claim that "I can enjoy watching laser beam and fireball enhanced guitar solos of classic Christmas tunes and still not feel hypocritical about wanting the government to stay out of the religion business". Government, by allowing a display of any sort, doesn't mean they support it. Again, Christmas is a cultural event, enjoyed by by people of all religions, and those with none.

    Parades in our town are held by non-governmental organizations like the Lions' Club. They can choose who participates (although last I checked, everyone can get in). They are not held by the government.
    But they are on government property. Should Satanists have their displays on the same public property?

    In a public space - which my tax dollars go to support - the govt. can't allow some religious groups and not others.
    I agree. And that's where tolerance comes in.

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    Re: Woman arrested after damaging Satanic display at Florida Capitol

    Quote Originally Posted by countryboy View Post
    Kinda hard to do when the word Christ is in there. Wouldn't it be called Secularmas? Doesn't have the same ring to it.
    Satanmas?

    They already hold a mass. 6/6/06 Satanic High Mass Ritual | churchofsatan.com

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    Re: Woman arrested after damaging Satanic display at Florida Capitol

    Quote Originally Posted by reinoe View Post
    Was your daughter required to get on her knees and start praying to the Santa?
    No, though I suspect you spend a lot of time on your knees.

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