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Woman arrested after damaging Satanic display at Florida Capitol[W:649]

Re: Woman arrested after damaging Satanic display at Florida Capitol

They worship evil and militant atheists have their back. This is not surprising.

Actually , they don't worship anything. The Satanic Temple is a militant atheist group.
 
Re: Woman arrested after damaging Satanic display at Florida Capitol

Satanism and atheism are different things. Satan is an essential element peculiar to the Christian religion.
The concept of Evil doesn't exist outside Christianity, huh?
 
Re: Woman arrested after damaging Satanic display at Florida Capitol

You don't understand the meaning of falsifiable, and that was a reference to your spoonbending claim.

Oh, okay. I misunderstood. I thought you meant my claim about The Satanic Temple being an atheist group.
 
Re: Woman arrested after damaging Satanic display at Florida Capitol

That's not addressing anything I said. YOU dont believe in religious freedom. Here is a religious display that was vandalized and you're all for it. Woman should get a medal, you claim. YOU are again st religious expression. So maybe YOU should reevaluate whether or not religious display should be allowed on public property because it seems like YOU are again st the freedom.

What do you think Deists like Thomas Jefferson, James Madison or Alex Hamilton would have done if Satanists had set up Satanic religious displays on theur local courthouse yards?

Please give evidence of any of the Founders demanding that Christian displays be removed from Federal, State or local government property as a violation of the very laws they wrote.
 
Re: Woman arrested after damaging Satanic display at Florida Capitol

They worship evil and militant atheists have their back. This is not surprising.

According to you they do. But that's just your opinion, why should your beliefs dominate the beliefs of others?
 
Re: Woman arrested after damaging Satanic display at Florida Capitol

Actually , they don't worship anything. The Satanic Temple is a militant atheist group.
It appears you are right, though the name they selected for their inspiration certainly suggests otherwise.

Naturally they align themselves with the usual left wing causes. http://thesatanictemple.com/
 
Re: Woman arrested after damaging Satanic display at Florida Capitol

What do you think Deists like Thomas Jefferson, James Madison or Alex Hamilton would have done if Satanists had set up Satanic religious displays on theur local courthouse yards?

Please give evidence of any of the Founders demanding that Christian displays be removed from Federal, State or local government property as a violation of the very laws they wrote.

I don't know what they'd do, supposition is pointless. They allowed slavery, so should we go back to that too?

The here and now, and in the here and now you argue against religious freedom. I disagree, I think religious freedom needs to be upheld.
 
Re: Woman arrested after damaging Satanic display at Florida Capitol

According to you they do. But that's just your opinion, why should your beliefs dominate the beliefs of others?
So you feel all beliefs are equal?
 
Re: Woman arrested after damaging Satanic display at Florida Capitol

It appears you are right, though the name they selected for their inspiration certainly suggests otherwise.

Naturally they align themselves with the usual left wing causes. http://thesatanictemple.com/
What? You mean a group of libs is being disingenuous? Awwww, say it ain't so. :roll:
 
Re: Woman arrested after damaging Satanic display at Florida Capitol

So you feel all beliefs are equal?

Unsupported beliefs, likely. We're talking religious freedom here, is there a reason to be against it?
 
Re: Woman arrested after damaging Satanic display at Florida Capitol

If America is a secular country, why are most people religious?
Because most people have the good sense to know that theocracies are evil.
 
Re: Woman arrested after damaging Satanic display at Florida Capitol

Because most people have the good sense to know that theocracies are evil.

Religion is not synonymous with theocracy.
 
Re: Woman arrested after damaging Satanic display at Florida Capitol

Unsupported beliefs, likely. We're talking religious freedom here, is there a reason to be against it?
Of course there is reason to be against anything, religious or otherwise, which preaches hatreds. Why should religions be excerpt from criticism? Do you think there is too much Satanophobia out there?
 
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It would be better if Unrepresented had said the government was secular, as that would be both on-topic and true.
Really? I guess you never heard of "we the people" or its meaning is entirely lost on you.
 
Re: Woman arrested after damaging Satanic display at Florida Capitol

I try to stay on topic. The topic being that anti-Christian efforts to put up Satanic and atheistic displays are first steps in a pro-communist agenda:

Atheists Karl Marx and Vladmir Lenin

Karl Marx said "[Religion] is the opium of the people". Marx also stated: "Communism begins from the outset (Owen) with atheism; but atheism is at first far from being communism; indeed, that atheism is still mostly an abstraction.[45]

Vladimir Lenin similarly wrote regarding atheism and communism: "A Marxist must be a materialist, i.e., an enemy of religion, but a dialectical materialist, i.e., one who treats the struggle against religion not in an abstract way, not on the basis of remote, purely theoretical, never varying preaching, but in a concrete way, on the basis of the class struggle which is going on in practice and is educating the masses more and better than anything else could."[46]

The atheism in communist regimes has been and continues to be militant atheism and various acts of repression including the razing of thousands of religious buildings and the killing, imprisoning, and oppression of religious leaders and believers.[50]

The persecution of Christians in the Soviet Union was the result of the violently atheist Soviet government. In the first five years after the October Revolution, 28 bishops and 1,200 priests were murdered, many on the orders of Leon Trotsky. When Joseph Stalin came to power in 1927, he ordered his secret police, under Genrikh Yagoda to intensify persecution of Christians. In the next few years, 50,000 clergy were murdered, many were tortured, including crucifixion. "Russia turned red with the blood of martyrs", said Father Gleb Yakunin of the Russian Orthodox Church.[51] According to Orthodox Church sources, as many as fifty million Orthodox believers may have died in the twentieth century, mainly from persecution by Communists.[52]

In addition, in the atheistic and communist Soviet Union, 44 anti-religious museums were opened and the largest was the 'The Museum of the History of Religion and Atheism' in Leningrad’s Kazan cathedral.[53] Despite intense effort by the atheistic leaders of the Soviet Union, their efforts were not effective in converting the masses to atheism.[54

Atheism - Conservapedia

Of course your fanatical love and devotion to the ACLU, a known communist front, is evidence beyond a reasonable doubt that you support most aspects of communism---except perhaps the abolition of private property or the absoulte control of industry. The model of limited economic freedom in China may be more to your liking.
This is a more valuable resource for your current line of thinking than conservapedia:

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Association_fallacy

If you read it, you'll begin to appreciate that even though many communists are atheists, not all atheists are communists.
 
Re: Woman arrested after damaging Satanic display at Florida Capitol

Of course there is reason to be against anything, religious or otherwise, which preaches hatreds. Why should religions be excerpt from criticism? Do you think there is too much Satanophobia out there?

I don't really know, but in terms of freedom the all religions are capable of belief and expression, even Satanism. Do they actuay preach hatred, or is this more of your supposition? In the end, you either support this vandalism and stand against religious freedom or you condemn it and stand with religious freedom.
 
Re: Woman arrested after damaging Satanic display at Florida Capitol

Look, I don't care personally, and I even stated that I thought that the woman who "lost it" and tore down the Satanic display was in the wrong....But, let's be honest...Satanists, Atheists, etc, only do this sort of thing to arouse a reaction...They are nothing better than instigators.
Some, maybe, but fact is that some intents by right wing Christians has to be checked lest we end up with tyranny by them.
 
Re: Woman arrested after damaging Satanic display at Florida Capitol

Jefferson was wrong.
Now who can argue with that?

Thank God our nation was not founded by people who wanted to maintain a medieval theocracy but by intelligent rational people who valued freedom.
 
Re: Woman arrested after damaging Satanic display at Florida Capitol

I don't know what they'd do, supposition is pointless. They allowed slavery, so should we go back to that too?

The here and now, and in the here and now you argue against religious freedom. I disagree, I think religious freedom needs to be upheld.

Your ideas are relative. Tolerance of one thing means intolerance of another.

Supporting the freedoms of satanists means not supporting the Christians.

P.S. The Founders did address slavery in the USConstitution.
 
Re: Woman arrested after damaging Satanic display at Florida Capitol

Your ideas are relative. Tolerance of one thing means intolerance of another.

Supporting the freedoms of satanists means not supporting the Christians.

P.S. The Founders did address slavery in the USConstitution.

Yes, and allowed it, FYI.

But no, you're wrong. Allowing Satanists their say does not mean that Christians dont get their say. That's just stupid. Freedom means everyone has the same rights and abilities, just because you do not like a message doesn't mean that you cannot state your own or get to silence it. That would be the opposite of freedom.

So it seems you are rooted firmly in religious tyranny. To which I would say, that's why we have a secular government.
 
Re: Woman arrested after damaging Satanic display at Florida Capitol

This is a more valuable resource for your current line of thinking than conservapedia:

Association fallacy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

If you read it, you'll begin to appreciate that even though many communists are atheists, not all atheists are communists.

Thank you for your info. Given that about 90% of the time the ACLU defends communists over Nazis and Jehovah's Witnessess, and that they similarly go after Christians using the poor excuse of seperation of church and state---the ACLU would be 90% pro-communist.

As you support the actions of the ACLU---one could determine a similar content in your political agenda.

If you only have the ridiculous, narrow view that real communism is only about economic totalitarian issues, then no, you would not be a true communist.

However, if you support the majority of communist tenets, then it would be fair to assume one is mostly a communist.

BTW, which of the 10 tenets of communism do you not support?
 
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