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Woman arrested after damaging Satanic display at Florida Capitol[W:649]

Re: Woman arrested after damaging Satanic display at Florida Capitol

Jetboogieman said:
How?

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Because some lady defacing a display is one person trying to silence you while the government banning religious display is the government silencing you.
 
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Taylor said:
Aww, that's such a cute little notion of "fairness"! Alas, if only you had broken out the crayons and wrote it on a nice, big piece of construction paper.
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Wow, what a comment. Am I supposed to be devastated by your comment? It is a negative reflection on you, not me. Have you read any of the thread? Do you have an actual counter-argument to make? Do you think christianity should be allowed to do things that other religions do not do? do you have something against fairness?

You know, you can use the text tools if you want to write in color. Feel free to do so.


j-mac said:
Morning Sangha...I think it is more than just Christian's that take offense at a display honoring Satan, at a holiday meant to offer recognition of the Birth of Christ. Islam comes to mind....Although Christ was not, as Christians believe the physical embodiment of God himself, they do recognize Jesus as a prophet. Being the case, Why no Satinist's erecting this type of display in say, the ME? I don't think it would be too accepted there.
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What would happen in the Middle East is immaterial to this discussion. As far as I know, they don't have a constitution like ours. So now you're just trying to change the discussion away from who do you think is offended by the nativity itself (rather than being offended at the bias shown if only christians are allowed to post displays)
 
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jmotivator said:
Because some lady defacing a display is one person trying to silence you while the government banning religious display is the government silencing you.
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Bollocks.

Government should be neutral towards religions and not display them, that propagates religious freedom for the individual.
 
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Jetboogieman said:
That's not even debatable.

The entire birth of Jesus, regardless of how cool it is, has no verifiable basis in proven fact.
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Not arguing that...BTW, How many of the first century stories are verifiable in a 21st century rigor? Not many I suspect....But, you are delving into the whole theory of faith. I am so sorry you seem to have little, but, that doesn't mean that your conclusions are correct, or that mine are false...It only means that you hold a certain opinion at the moment....

A good article to consider if you would bother to read it, is:

The Birth of Jesus: Hype or History?
 
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jmotivator said:
Because some lady defacing a display is one person trying to silence you while the government banning religious display is the government silencing you.
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This thread is not about the govt banning religious displays so please stop lying

It's about allowing religious displays on govt property
 
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paddymcdougall said:
What would happen in the Middle East is immaterial to this discussion. As far as I know, they don't have a constitution like ours. So now you're just trying to change the discussion away from who do you think is offended by the nativity itself (rather than being offended at the bias shown if only christians are allowed to post displays)
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In context of the question asked that prompted this reply of mine, I don't think it was...We do have something special in this country where people holding different beliefs are not attacked, and/or killed for their dissent. And I believe that you are arguing with someone else, I've already said twice at least in this thread that the woman involved in destroying the Satanic display was wrong for doing so, and deserved to be arrested like she was. But I think that the whole thing defending it in this portion of our discussion is rather a straw argument itself. First, it is not "who I'' think is offended, it is who has stated that they are offended, like yourself. I only asked why, and it has spurred everything but an actual answer from some. If it is that you think that the nativity is a form of proselytizing to you, then I can only suggest that as a free man, you walk away from it, because no one is forcing you to look at it, listen to it, or abide by it....Are there people that can take their faith to an annoying extreme? Heck yeah....Does that exist among those that rail against the existence of religion as well....Um yeah....
 
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sangha said:
This thread is not about the govt banning religious displays so please stop lying

It's about allowing religious displays on govt property
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So, are you also against the Satanic display in the statehouse in Florida?
 
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Jetboogieman said:
Bollocks.

Government should be neutral towards religions and not display them, that propagates religious freedom for the individual.
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You don't seem to understand the meaning of "neutral".
 
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sangha said:
This thread is not about the govt banning religious displays so please stop lying

It's about allowing religious displays on govt property
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No, it's not about either of those things. It is about a woman defacing a Satanic display that the OP used as a call for religious tolerance. The separation of church and state bulls*** was shoehorned in by the usual suspects.
 
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j-mac said:
So, are you also against the Satanic display in the statehouse in Florida?
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I don't answer questions from people who repeatedly dodge questions asked of them so I will ask you for the third time:

Other than christians taking offense at the Satanists display, who has taken offense at any religious display and why?
 
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j-mac said:
Yes, and she was wrong, as I have said from the start. But what offends you about seeing a nativity scene? Or a Buddha? Or Mohammad?
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None of that personally offends me, it's the principle of the thing. Public land is supposed to be representative of the whole, not just the majority. By law, the government cannot promote one religion above another, hence you have to allow all religions to put up displays on public land, or you can allow no religions to put up displays on public land. One is absurd, many state and local governments have realized that they quickly run out of space for such things and still cannot cater to all. The other is the only one that makes any sense. If Christians or Buddhists or Muslims want to put up displays, they are more than welcome to do it on private property that they own, or which has given them permission. There's no end to that kind of land being available. Keep all religious displays off public property and there won't be any more problems, except from people who want to pretend that their religion is supported by the state.
 
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sangha said:
I like the way the right supports a small govt that doesn't get involved in people's lives

except when it comes to sex and religion....then they're not just fine with govt intrusion into our lives -- they enthusiastically support it.
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Well, they're supposed to, they just don't. That's why the neo-con religious right in this country isn't conservative, they're liberal. Conservatives want to keep the government the hell out of people's lives. Anyone who doesn't, isn't conservative.
 
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sangha said:
because it was on govt property
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Well, it was on public property, collectively owned by all of us. The government just oversees it.
 
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j-mac said:
The only freedom from is contextually in religion being entangled in government in a way that dictates legislation. Your argument is one that would banish any religion from the public square period, and that is not what was intended.
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Freedom from describes only the legislative part in my view. It also describes freedom from a forced influence, like the ten commandments in a court room. I feel the same way about forced nationalism as well.
 
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countryboy said:
Actually, you can't have from, if you have of. There is no freedom from religion, there's a church on practically block in America, sometimes two or three.
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Religion is a derivative. We get from before we get of. We can have five churches on every block, but nobody has to go. That is a form of freedom from religion. Freedom of religion is what puts five churches on every block.
 
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jet57 said:
Freedom of religion is what puts five churches on every block.
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That's true, but you must see them at least out of the corner of your eye, and we all know that just pisses you libs off no end.
 
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countryboy said:
That's true, but you must see them at least out of the corner of your eye, and we all know that just pisses you libs off no end.
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Well, I'm not a lib and I go to church often; when I feel like it. But nobody makes me go. Big difference. Moreover, your post is a classic example of why freedom from religion is so important in the US and why the constitution included the "freedom clause" to begin with.

Thank you so much for proving that.
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countryboy said:
That's true, but you must see them at least out of the corner of your eye, and we all know that just pisses you libs off no end.
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Don't remember liberals ever blocking the construction of a religious facility. Of course I could have missed it. I DO remember christians blocking construction of mosques.
 
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countryboy said:
Why would anyone be offended by a nativity scene? Serious question.
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I hate babies. I don't want to see a shrine dedicated to the birth of one. How's that?
 
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jet57 said:
Well, I'm not a lib and I go to church often; when I feel like it. But nobody makes me go. Big difference. Moreover, your post is a classic example of why freedom from religion is so important in the US and why the constitution included the "freedom clause" to begin with.

Thank you so much for proving that.
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Okay, I think we are perhaps bickering about nothing. Your idea of "freedom from religion" is different than that of most libs. I pretty much agree with your assessment. But the "freedom from religion foundation" does not agree with you. Obviously nobody should be forced to believe or worship, nor should they be prohibited from doing so (as long as their worship doesn't include anything which physically harms anyone). Anyhow, sorry about the misunderstanding.
 
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countryboy said:
Why would anyone be offended by a nativity scene? Serious question.
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It depends on where you put it. I have one displayed in my home at Christmas every year: it's a very old one too. But I don't go next door and insist that they have one as well. Nor do I pester the mayor to get one set up at city hall.
 
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countryboy said:
Okay, I think we are perhaps bickering about nothing. Your idea of "freedom from religion" is different than that of most libs. I pretty much agree with your assessment. But the "freedom from religion foundation" does not agree with you. Obviously nobody should be forced to believe or worship, nor should they be prohibited from doing so (as long as their worship doesn't include anything which physically harms anyone). Anyhow, sorry about the misunderstanding.
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The freedom from religion foundation does not represent me, they just have a convenient name: they're atheists I think. I'm not an atheist.

Thanks for agreeing; I'm glad we do. I just wish that we could get the right-wing evangelicals to coll it. That would go a long way toward attracting people TO church community instead of away from it.
 
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reinoe said:
I hate babies. I don't want to see a shrine dedicated to the birth of one. How's that?
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Fair enough, they do poop a lot.
 
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sangha said:
I don't answer questions from people who repeatedly dodge questions asked of them so I will ask you for the third time:

Other than christians taking offense at the Satanists display, who has taken offense at any religious display and why?
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The question had a rhetorical feel...I don't know who else took offense....Anybody that is a reasonable person I suspect...I don't dodge questions from you Sangha, but I am not going to get drawn into your snark either...

So, now on to mine....
 
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