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    Re: Woman arrested after damaging Satanic display at Florida Capitol

    Quote Originally Posted by Manc Skipper View Post
    By what measure is the truth or falsity their religion different to Christianity? Satanism even shares the same characters, they just root for the underdog.
    If you take the propaganda of paranoid medieval Christians as truth, I fear you haven't much reason to think it true.

    Theistic satanists take the blatantly untrue accusations against largely innocent people of centuries' past and believe it to be some sort of truth. There was no sabbat, no dark meetings in the forest...none of it was true. It was nonsense created by Christians and thrust upon unfortunate people who had to accept the false narratives under duress of torture or were convinced of the untruth due to having a form of mental illness. The problem? It was all made up, but the poor men and women paid the price for it.

    It's the worship of black propaganda by Churchmen. I can't think anything more false than that.

    Atheist satanists are merely jumping on the rebellion Satanism represents.
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    Re: Woman arrested after damaging Satanic display at Florida Capitol

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    These "Satanists" are not a religion. They are atheists posing as Satanists in order to provoke Christians. Even their own website has the exact stance of an extreme atheist described in it. No matter what they or anyone else says that is all that they are. Such actions should not be allowed as it creates unrest and does not lead to a peaceful society. The OP is an example of that. While I don't condone her actions I certainly do not blame her for those actions. She was provoked imo. I don't care if they put up Islamic symbols or Hindu or whatever, hell, don't even care about Wiccan idoltry being put up. But these "Satanists" are doing what they are just to provoke and they should be shut down.
    Religionists usually like to claim that Atheism is a religion.

    People expressing an opinion are not responsible for the reaction of the people who can't tolerate it.

    If religious people are allowed to use public facilities to make a pro-religion statement, then non-religious people have the same right to make their anti-religious statement. Government should be neutral both with religion and with other types of viewpoints.

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    Re: Woman arrested after damaging Satanic display at Florida Capitol

    Quote Originally Posted by Flamethrower View Post
    I'm almost out of time today, but knowing good commies follow the tenets of communism, and want to eliminate Christianity:

    Dennis v. United States, 341 U.S. 494 (1951), was a United States Supreme Court case relating to Eugene Dennis, General Secretary of the Communist Party USA. The Court ruled that Dennis did not have the right under the First Amendment to the United States Constitution to exercise free speech, publication and assembly, if the exercise involved the creation of a plot to overthrow the government. ACLU wrote in favor of the defendants.
    Dennis v. United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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    That enough?
    Not a single one of those cases are about promoting communism, most are about the free speech and other rights rights of alleged communists and others. Others are about ending the use government resources and power to impose Christian teachings on students. All of those cases are about protecting our rights as per the Bill of Rights. Opposing the Bill of Rights is Unamerican.

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    Re: Woman arrested after damaging Satanic display at Florida Capitol

    Quote Originally Posted by Flamethrower View Post
    I'm almost out of time today, but knowing good commies follow the tenets of communism, and want to eliminate Christianity:

    Dennis v. United States, 341 U.S. 494 (1951), was a United States Supreme Court case relating to Eugene Dennis, General Secretary of the Communist Party USA. The Court ruled that Dennis did not have the right under the First Amendment to the United States Constitution to exercise free speech, publication and assembly, if the exercise involved the creation of a plot to overthrow the government. ACLU wrote in favor of the defendants.
    Dennis v. United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    1925 Gitlow v. New York Our first Supreme Court landmark. Though upholding the defendant's conviction for distributing his call to overthrow the government, the Court held, for the first time, that the Fourteenth Amendment "incorporates" the free speech clause of the First Amendment and is, therefore, applicable to the states.

    1927 Whitney v. California Though the Court upheld a conviction for membership in a group that advocated the overthrow of the state, Justice Brandeis explained, in a separate opinion, that under the "clear and present danger test" the strong presumption must be in favor of "more speech, not enforced silence." That view, which ultimately prevailed, laid the groundwork for modern First Amendment law.

    1931 Stromberg v. California The ACLU argued successfully that the conviction of a communist for displaying a red flag should be overturned because it was based on a state law that was overly vague, in violation of the First Amendment

    1937 DeJonge v. Oregon A landmark First Amendment case, in which the Court held that the defendant's conviction under a state criminal syndicalism statute merely for attending a peaceful Communist Party rally violated his free speech rights.

    1957 Watkins v. United States Under the First Amendment, the Court imposed limits on the investigative powers of the House UnAmerican Activities Committee, which had found a labor leader in contempt for refusing to answer questions about his associates' membership in the Communist Party.
    1958 Kent v. Dulles The Court ruled that the State Department had exceeded its authority in denying artist Rockwell Kent a passport because he refused to sign a "noncommunist affidavit." The right to travel, said the Court, is protected by the Due Process Clause of the Fifth Amendment.

    1962 Engel v. Vitale In an 8-1 decision, the Court struck down the New York State Regent's "nondenominational" school prayer, holding that "It is no part of the business of government to compose official prayers."

    1963 Abingdon School District v. Schempp Building on Engel in another 8- 1 decision, the Court struck down Pennsylvania's in-school Bible-reading law as a violation of the First Amendment.

    1965 Lamont v. Postmaster General A unanimous Court found unconstitutional, under the First Amendment, a challenged Cold War law that required the Postermaster General to detain and destroy all unsealed mail from abroad deemed to be "communist political propaganda" -- unless the addressee requested delivery in writing.

    1969 Brandenburg v. Ohio After the ACLU's 50-year struggle against laws punishing political advocacy, the Court now adopted our view of the First Amendment -- that the government could only penalize direct incitement to imminent lawless action -- and invalidated, in one fell swoop, the Smith Act and all state sedition laws restricting radical political groups.

    1983 Bob Jones University v. United States The Court rejected two fundamentalist Christian schools' claim, supported by the Reagan Justice Department, that the First Amendment guarantee of religious liberty forbade the denial of income tax exemptions to educational and religious institutions that practice racial discrimination. Instead, the Court held that the IRS is empowered to set rules enforcing a "settled public policy" against racial discrimination in education

    The ACLU's Most Important U.S. Supreme Court Victories

    That enough?
    So the central tenets of communism are free speech and atheism? I don't see a lot of economic court decisions listed, for a redistribution based ideology.

    Your definition of "communism" is lacking.
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    Re: Woman arrested after damaging Satanic display at Florida Capitol

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    The fact that you can't tell us what Christmas has to do with democracies is pretty telling.
    If you don't understand the word 'culture' there is no telling you anything.

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    Re: Woman arrested after damaging Satanic display at Florida Capitol

    Quote Originally Posted by Unrepresented View Post
    A) A theocracy is one point of a continuum along a political axis. It's not an all or nothing thing, just like communism, libertarianism, etc. There are positions a government or citizens can take that shift a nation closer or further from that point. We don't suddenly live in a communist nation simply because we extend social security benefits, but it does shift us leftward. In the same vein, we don't suddenly live in a theocracy because of a single town square Christmas display, however, if our judicial system accepts public, limited, endorsement and establishment of religion it shifts us significantly from the historical norms and guarantees established in the Bill of Rights.

    B) As for a timeline, that's unrealistic. I don't have a crystal ball. But it's a significant encroachment on the separation of church and state.
    In other words, you have no idea what you're talking about, and your assertion that Christmas decorations on the little town square is not a fundamental step towards theocracy. That's what I thought.

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    Re: Woman arrested after damaging Satanic display at Florida Capitol

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    Coming from someone who believes in a god.
    What gave you that idea? Did one of your imaginary friends, Lenin perhaps, whisper this in your ear?

    You don't have to be Gay to defend Gay rights, or Black to defend equal rights, and you don't have to be a Christian to speak up for Christmas. Do leftists seriously not get this?

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    Re: Woman arrested after damaging Satanic display at Florida Capitol

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    Fortunately over the past 40 years you have been proven wrong about their dangerousness.
    That needs some clarification, thanks.

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    Re: Woman arrested after damaging Satanic display at Florida Capitol

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    That needs some clarification, thanks.
    The outbreaks of killings and so forth have thus far been more of a product of fantasy and coercive interrogations than any basis in reality.

    Satanism has thus far been eccentric rather than a danger to society.
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    Re: Woman arrested after damaging Satanic display at Florida Capitol

    Quote Originally Posted by CRUE CAB View Post
    Oh, please. Do tell.
    It's called the First Amendment. I realize you guys like to forget every amendment but the Second, but it's in there.

    You realize that getting rid of the religious displays would mean no Satanic display. As it is now, with the door open to Christians they have to open it to other religions. The government can't pick a religion as "correct."


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    This issue has been plowed more times than Paris Hilton.
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    Too bad we have to observe human rights.

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