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Woman arrested after damaging Satanic display at Florida Capitol[W:649]

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countryboy said:
It's not. Maybe you should educate yourself about TST. I posted a link, but since you're such a nice polite fellow, here it is again, just for you. FAQ |
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It doesn't matter if their religion's sole purpose is to annoy you. That's absolutely none of your business. You have no right to tell them what they can and can't believe, and christians wanted religion in government so here it is.
 
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RabidAlpaca said:
It doesn't matter if their religion's sole purpose is to annoy you. That's absolutely none of your business. You have no right to tell them what they can and can't believe, and christians wanted religion in government so here it is.
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Lol.....
 
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countryboy said:
Referring to God is not associated with religion? On what planet?
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Earth. Like my dad used to say, religion has nothing to do with God.
 
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Grant said:
God is no longer associated with religion? When did this begin?
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I didn't say that. It doesn't have to be associated with religion. Have you ever heard of the term agnostic? One can believe in a God and not Religion.
 
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Hari Seldon said:
Earth. Like my dad used to say, religion has nothing to do with God.
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Lol, with all due respect to your dad, words have definitions.

Besides, Obama claims to be a Christian, last time I checked, that was a religion.

sec·u·lar
ˈsekyələr/Submit
adjective
1.
denoting attitudes, activities, or other things that have no religious or spiritual basis.
"secular buildings"
synonyms: nonreligious, areligious, lay, temporal, worldly, earthly, profane; formallaic
"secular music"
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countryboy said:
Lol, with all due respect to your dad, words have definitions.

Besides, Obama claims to be a Christian, last time I checked, that was a religion.
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That they do. What religious or spiritual basis is there in swearing to "God". Now if its on the bible then that would obviously mean Christian. Funny thing is much of the hard conservative christian right considers atheism a religion. They get all hot and bothered about it. Religion without God. You ever wonder why Jefferson said "Nature's God" in the Declaration of Independence? Seems to me he was excluding religion and including everyone. A Deist God if you will. I am just having fun with words. Would you consider the Declaration a "Religious" document or a secular document?
 
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Hari Seldon said:
That they do. What religious or spiritual basis is there in swearing to "God". Now if its on the bible then that would obviously mean Christian. Funny thing is much of the hard conservative christian right considers atheism a religion. They get all hot and bothered about it. Religion without God. You ever wonder why Jefferson said "Nature's God" in the Declaration of Independence? Seems to me he was excluding religion and including everyone. A Deist God if you will. I am just having fun with words. Would you consider the Declaration a "Religious" document or a secular document?
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You're just being silly. If Obama claims to be a Christian, what God do you think he's talking about?
 
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countryboy said:
You're just being silly. If Obama claims to be a Christian, what God do you think he's talking about?
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I have read on this forum many a time where his claim to be a Christian is highly questioned. Not by me of course. LOL!
 
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Hari Seldon said:
I have read on this forum many a time where his claim to be a Christian is highly questioned. Not by me of course. LOL!
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Nevertheless.
 
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Grant said:
It's from a movie. Then you claim it was one Christian and still pluralized it.

Learning to spell properly is not a handicap in life.
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I read it in a book. Perhaps the letter-writer took it from a movie, but I quoted the letter exacly.

The book is "You Can Be a Good Speller or a Hater, But You Can't Be Both" by Bonnie Weinstein, if you want to check.

that you didn't like that I pluralized christians isn't going to make me lose sleep, I have to admit.
 
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j-mac said:
So what are the Satanists celebrating during Christmas?
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That they aren't dumb enough to be christians.....

(that was a joke, people!)

I don't know about any particular satanist, but as an atheist I celebrate family, friends, good will and joy during christmas.
 
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Grant said:
Yes, it is optional but obviously 'un-secular' as well.
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What are you ( trying to state here? Because an American wishes to use the phrase "So help me god" in an affirmation oath as a member of the military, a government employee or a member of Congress, such actions do not have the meaning that every person has to say the phrase - it is optional (I think I said that already)

There's that little bit in the Constitution, written before the Bill of Rights by the way
"no religious test shall ever be required as a qualification to any office or public trust under the United States".
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Although eight states still have clauses or provisions in their state constitutions that say public officials must believe in a Supreme Being, they are no longer enforced.

Torcaso v. Watkins, 367 U.S. 488 (1961)
Appellant was appointed by the Governor of Maryland to the office of Notary Public, but he was denied a commission because he would not declare his belief in God, as required by the Maryland Constitution. Claiming that this requirement violated his rights under the First and Fourteenth Amendments, he sued in a state court to compel issuance of his commission, but relief was denied
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We repeat and again reaffirm that neither a State nor the Federal Government can constitutionally force a person "to profess a belief or disbelief in any religion." Neither can constitutionally pass laws or impose requirements which aid all religions as against nonbelievers, [Footnote 10] and neither can aid those religions based on a belief in the existence of God as against those religions founded on different beliefs. [Footnote 11]

In upholding the State's religious test for public office, the highest court of Maryland said:

"The petitioner is not compelled to believe or disbelieve, under threat of punishment or other compulsion. True, unless he makes the declaration of belief, he cannot hold public office in Maryland, but he is not compelled to hold office."

The fact, however, that a person is not compelled to hold public office cannot possibly be an excuse for barring him from office by state-imposed criteria forbidden by the Constitution.
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my emphasis
 
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j-mac said:
I believe it is called "the establishment clause". And is called that because the founders were fleeing a religiously run government in England. The way you term it as "the non establishment clause" you are consciously inferring a freedom from religion, when in fact it is the exact opposite.

Now for the record, and as a Christian, raised Roman Catholic, since lapsed, I don't really have an objection to people displaying what they want, as long as we can all respect each others right to believe what we want....That word "respect" goes further than just me allowing non believers to be assholes to those that believe, and vice versa. It means not doing things specifically to disrespect what others celebrate as holy to them....I doubt truly that Satinists do what they do with any respect at all, so in my eyes they don't deserve such.
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Can't have an of when you don't have a from... It covers both. It's sets a very clear boundary for religion. Religion as a "legally recognized control" is the reason in the clause for religion as you say: none can control another. Neither can any "legally" control a man. That is the freedom from religion.
 
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paddymcdougall said:
That they aren't dumb enough to be christians.....

(that was a joke, people!)

I don't know about any particular satanist, but as an atheist I celebrate family, friends, good will and joy during christmas.
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Well, stick to your thoughts, because your jokes aren't very funny...

So, you're not very different from Christians then...But, if all you wanted to do was celebrate family, friends, good will and joy, then why would you need a display designed to antagonize others? Is that "good will"?
 
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Grant said:
Who taught you this?
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That means nothing, its not how government is allowed to act. An oath, that's all you got? Government is not allowed to establish or interfere with the free expression of religion. Government is secular. You can have your little addendum to an oath, but i have the 1st amendment.

Talk about needing to learn a lesson.
 
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j-mac said:
Well, stick to your thoughts, because your jokes aren't very funny...

So, you're not very different from Christians then...But, if all you wanted to do was celebrate family, friends, good will and joy, then why would you need a display designed to antagonize others? Is that "good will"?
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Why would you need any display at all, since it might offend others too?
 
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jet57 said:
Can't have an of when you don't have a from... It covers both. It's sets a very clear boundary for religion. Religion as a "legally recognized control" is the reason in the clause for religion as you say: none can control another. Neither can any "legally" control a man. That is the freedom from religion.
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The only freedom from is contextually in religion being entangled in government in a way that dictates legislation. Your argument is one that would banish any religion from the public square period, and that is not what was intended.
 
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Manc Skipper said:
Why would you need any display at all, since it might offend others too?
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I am not saying that I do. But, I don't understand what is so offensive? Maybe you can explain?
 
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jet57 said:
Can't have an of when you don't have a from... It covers both. It's sets a very clear boundary for religion. Religion as a "legally recognized control" is the reason in the clause for religion as you say: none can control another. Neither can any "legally" control a man. That is the freedom from religion.
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Actually, you can't have from, if you have of. There is no freedom from religion, there's a church on practically block in America, sometimes two or three.
 
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Manc Skipper said:
Why would you need any display at all, since it might offend others too?
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Why would anyone be offended by a nativity scene? Serious question.
 
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j-mac said:
So what are the Satanists celebrating during Christmas?
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What difference does it make? They have every right to worship as they please.
 
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paddymcdougall said:
I don't know about any particular satanist, but as an atheist I celebrate family, friends, good will and joy during christmas.
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Exactly. I'm an atheist and I celebrated Christmas just fine without a single reference to any imaginary friends in the sky. It's easy.
 
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CRUE CAB said:
There is right and wrong. Praise of the devil goes in the wrong category. You wish to idolize evil? We don't need you, you are part of the problem.
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I almost forgot, I will just up the road from you next week over at the ESPN complex. I'm hoping my daughter can do some "evil" on the soccer field. Preferably while a college coach is watching.
 
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j-mac said:
I am not saying that I do. But, I don't understand what is so offensive? Maybe you can explain?
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Antagonism is in the eye of the beholder. Along with a beam, it would appear.
 
Re: Woman arrested after damaging Satanic display at Florida Capitol

j-mac said:
So what are the Satanists celebrating during Christmas?
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Why do you think the answer matters?
 
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