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    Re: Woman arrested after damaging Satanic display at Florida Capitol

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    The United States is moving towards a theocracy?? Fantastic!!
    I figured an "independent" like yourself would think so.

    You seem completely unfamiliar with Christmas and the cultural role it has played in the democracies!
    Christmas has nothing to do with constitutions, it has nothing to do with legislature, it has nothing to do with any part of official government business. Get serious.
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    Re: Woman arrested after damaging Satanic display at Florida Capitol

    Quote Originally Posted by Unrepresented View Post
    I'd you're honestly interested in understanding the position feel free to explain what logical gap you're not following.
    You said, Christmas decorations on the little town square is a "fundamental first step towards theocracy". I asked you, if that is so, why have we not descended into full blown theocracy yet? I asked you to describe in detail a timeline of sorts which would describe the progression you speak of. You will not. So, all we have is your assertion, without any sort of detailed description as to how we might evolve into a theocracy, simply due to some Christmas decorations. Got it? Or do I need to break out the crayons?

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    Re: Woman arrested after damaging Satanic display at Florida Capitol

    Quote Originally Posted by Paleocon View Post
    Well of course not, Christianity is true.
    And Santa Claus comes down chimneys.
    There is nothing demonstrably true that religion can provide the world that cannot be achieved more rationally through entirely secular means.

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    Re: Woman arrested after damaging Satanic display at Florida Capitol

    Quote Originally Posted by Flamethrower View Post
    So why didn't the United States become a theocracy during the first 200+ years of having Christain displays on government property?

    I believe you, the ACLU and all troublemaking atheists here in the US should practice what you preach. All of you should travel to ISIS territory in Syria and Iraq and demand that your atheist and multicultural ideas be represented near the public beading of infidels.
    The ACLU deals with laws in the USA only. That the A stands for American is a hint.

    There are other organizations supported by liberals that work to protect the rights of oppressed religious people under theocracies and other systems of oppression.

    Search | Amnesty International USA

    Search | Human Rights Watch

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    Re: Woman arrested after damaging Satanic display at Florida Capitol

    Quote Originally Posted by countryboy View Post
    You said, Christmas decorations on the little town square is a "fundamental first step towards theocracy". I asked you, if that is so, why have we not descended into full blown theocracy yet? I asked you to describe in detail a timeline of sorts which would describe the progression you speak of. You will not. So, all we have is your assertion, without any sort of detailed description as to how we might evolve into a theocracy, simply due to some Christmas decorations. Got it? Or do I need to break out the crayons?
    A) A theocracy is one point of a continuum along a political axis. It's not an all or nothing thing, just like communism, libertarianism, etc. There are positions a government or citizens can take that shift a nation closer or further from that point. We don't suddenly live in a communist nation simply because we extend social security benefits, but it does shift us leftward. In the same vein, we don't suddenly live in a theocracy because of a single town square Christmas display, however, if our judicial system accepts public, limited, endorsement and establishment of religion it shifts us significantly from the historical norms and guarantees established in the Bill of Rights.

    B) As for a timeline, that's unrealistic. I don't have a crystal ball. But it's a significant encroachment on the separation of church and state.
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    Re: Woman arrested after damaging Satanic display at Florida Capitol

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    right!! Don't people realize that free speech rights are only for speech that doesn't offend?
    Yeah, I love the people who claim to be patriots and pro-American, then don't know what the heck the Constitution says or how this country actually operates.
    There is nothing demonstrably true that religion can provide the world that cannot be achieved more rationally through entirely secular means.

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    Re: Woman arrested after damaging Satanic display at Florida Capitol

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    You break a society by first breaking their culture. That's the intent here.
    From your fearmongering, the Christian theocracy should have happened here long ago with all the nativity scenes brainwashing the masses.
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    Re: Woman arrested after damaging Satanic display at Florida Capitol

    Quote Originally Posted by Unrepresented View Post
    Religious influence, like most social functions, is a continuum. The fact that we're less theocratic than Iran doesn't mean we don't display aspects of it currently and historically. It's not all or nothing.
    I like all the Christian stuff. It's all good.

    The Satanic and Islamic stuff can go in the trash dumpster, along with their advocates.
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    Re: Woman arrested after damaging Satanic display at Florida Capitol

    Quote Originally Posted by countryboy View Post
    You said, Christmas decorations on the little town square is a "fundamental first step towards theocracy". I asked you, if that is so, why have we not descended into full blown theocracy yet? I asked you to describe in detail a timeline of sorts which would describe the progression you speak of. You will not. So, all we have is your assertion, without any sort of detailed description as to how we might evolve into a theocracy, simply due to some Christmas decorations. Got it? Or do I need to break out the crayons?
    In practice, but contrary to the first amendment, the USA had many elements of a theocracy until the 1960s. Until then, there were fewer people outside the mainstream religions, so they generally lacked the power to oppose practices such as mandatory school prayers, bans on atheists holding public office and widespread discrimination against Jews. By the 1960s there was a greater understanding of the dangers of theocracy in response to the horrors of Nazism and communist suppression of religion and more people who were not mainstream Christians. That provided critical mass for an end to many of those theocratic practices and the courts finally recognized the problem and addressed it.

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    Re: Woman arrested after damaging Satanic display at Florida Capitol

    Quote Originally Posted by Flamethrower View Post
    I like all the Christian stuff. It's all good.

    The Satanic and Islamic stuff can go in the trash dumpster, along with their advocates.
    Your subjective viewpoint is noted.
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