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    Re: Woman arrested after damaging Satanic display at Florida Capitol

    Quote Originally Posted by countryboy View Post
    Oh the irony. Did you really just say that? Isn't that what this entire debate is all about? Militant atheists who equate a Christmas decoration with theocracy? You people are sumpthin' else.
    Sangha was being ironic, but I'm not sure what your point is. Are you against free speech if it offends someone? I mean, that nativity scene offended some non-christians.

    State sponsorship of displays for just one religion WOULD be moving towards theocracy.

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    Re: Woman arrested after damaging Satanic display at Florida Capitol

    Quote Originally Posted by paddymcdougall View Post
    Sangha was being ironic, but I'm not sure what your point is. Are you against free speech if it offends someone? I mean, that nativity scene offended some non-christians.
    My point is, it is usually libs who want to shout down speech they don't agree with.

    State sponsorship of displays for just one religion WOULD be moving towards theocracy.
    Having Christmas decorations on the little town square is not state sponsorship of religion, nor is it in any way, shape, or form a move towards theocracy. Do you even know what a theocracy is?

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    Re: Woman arrested after damaging Satanic display at Florida Capitol

    Quote Originally Posted by countryboy View Post
    My point is, it is usually libs who want to shout down speech they don't agree with.
    Um, no


    Quote Originally Posted by countryboy View Post
    Having Christmas decorations on the little town square is not state sponsorship of religion, nor is it in any way, shape, or form a move towards theocracy. Do you even know what a theocracy is?
    Many court decisions disagree with you.

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    Re: Woman arrested after damaging Satanic display at Florida Capitol

    Quote Originally Posted by paddymcdougall View Post
    Um, no
    Um, yes. Shall I post up some videos?




    Many court decisions disagree with you.
    Let's see a couple of them. Make sure they are the one's that ruled Christmas decorations as theocracies.

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    Re: Woman arrested after damaging Satanic display at Florida Capitol

    Quote Originally Posted by countryboy View Post
    Oh the irony. Did you really just say that? Isn't that what this entire debate is all about? Militant atheists who equate a Christmas decoration with theocracy? You people are sumpthin' else.
    No one here has an issue with Christmas decorations. They have an issue with Christmas decorations on public property. They have issues with it because it's a step in the establishment of religion by the government which is unconstitutional and a step towards theocracy.

    It's no different than if the government were to censor free speech in a way that most people agree with. Or to search and seize property that most people agree with. They're all unconstitutional, even if it seems harmless.

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    Re: Woman arrested after damaging Satanic display at Florida Capitol

    Quote Originally Posted by Unrepresented View Post
    No one here has an issue with Christmas decorations. They have an issue with Christmas decorations on public property. They have issues with it because it's a step in the establishment of religion by the government which is unconstitutional and a step towards theocracy.

    It's no different than if the government were to censor free speech in a way that most people agree with. Or to search and seize property that most people agree with. They're all unconstitutional, even if it seems harmless.
    It's not a step towards theocracy. Why don't you tell the class what a theocracy is. And while you're at it, explain how a Christmas decoration is a, "step towards theocracy". Please be specific.

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    Re: Woman arrested after damaging Satanic display at Florida Capitol

    Quote Originally Posted by Paleocon View Post
    While incorrect, her actions are understandable and it should be pointed out that this sort of thing wouldn't happen if they didn't allow this heinous evil to occur in the first place.
    "The bill for establishing religious freedom, the principles of which had, to a certain degree, been enacted before, I had drawn in all the latitude of reason and right. It still met with opposition; but, with some mutilations in the preamble, it was finally passed; and a singular proposition proved that its protection of opinion was meant to be universal. Where the preamble declares, that coercion is a departure from the plan of the holy author of our religion, an amendment was proposed, by inserting the word "Jesus Christ," so that it should read, "a departure from the plan of Jesus Christ, the holy author of our religion;" the insertion was rejected by a great majority, in proof that they meant to comprehend, within the mantle of its protection, the Jew and the Gentile, the Christian and Mahometan, the Hindoo, and Infidel of every denomination."

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    Re: Woman arrested after damaging Satanic display at Florida Capitol

    Quote Originally Posted by countryboy View Post
    It's not a step towards theocracy. Why don't you tell the class what a theocracy is. And while you're at it, explain how a Christmas decoration is a, "step towards theocracy". Please be specific.
    "Theocracy is a form of government in which the clergy is officially recognized as the civil Ruler and official policy is governed by officials regarded as divinely guided, or is pursuant to the doctrine of a particular religion or religious group."

    Theocracy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    The government publicly endorsing the Christian religion by dedicating public space during the annual holiest day is establishing a religion and a step towards establishing a theocracy.

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    Re: Woman arrested after damaging Satanic display at Florida Capitol

    Quote Originally Posted by Unrepresented View Post
    "Theocracy is a form of government in which the clergy is officially recognized as the civil Ruler and official policy is governed by officials regarded as divinely guided, or is pursuant to the doctrine of a particular religion or religious group."

    Theocracy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    The government publicly endorsing the Christian religion by dedicating public space during the annual holiest day is establishing a religion and a step towards establishing a theocracy.
    How exactly do you get from a Christmas decoration, to priests being the governing body? That is your idea of specificity?

    And if this practice is soooooo unconstitutional, why hasn't the SCOTUS shut that **** down?

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    Re: Woman arrested after damaging Satanic display at Florida Capitol

    Quote Originally Posted by countryboy View Post
    How exactly do you get from a Christmas decoration, to priests being the governing body? That is your idea of specificity?

    And if this practice is soooooo unconstitutional, why hasn't the SCOTUS shut that **** down?

    Here, I got you something for Winter Solstice.

    stretch_armstrong_movie.jpg
    I read the definition as having an "or" in it: Theocracy is a form of government in which the clergy is officially recognized as the civil Ruler and official policy is governed by officials regarded as divinely guided, or is pursuant to the doctrine of a particular religion or religious group.

    As for SCOTUS shutting it down, it has. That's why we're discussing the woman attacking the Satanic display. Because in order to stay within the Establishment Clause - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia, you have to allow all religious views access if you allow one. It's either Christmas displays plus Satanic ones, or no Christmas displays at all.

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