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Police: Officer in Missouri shot, Killed man who Pulled Gun..... [W:22]

whysoserious said:
Is there no assessing before the toy gun is pulled? For instance, "hey we just got a call that a young kid is pointing a gun at people, though the caller said it could be a toy... maybe we should figure out if he has a real gun before we shoot him?" The video is insane. They know this kid might have a gun or a toy gun, so their genius ****ing plan is to park the car right in front of him, and if he makes a sudden movement to put him on blast?

Can we be honest and just admit that wasn't handled as well as it could have been?
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What if, the assessment is confirmed, because someone got shot and killed?
 
Tettsuo said:
So the police did nothing wrong when they barreled up on the boy and within seconds killed him?

Why is it never the police who are at fault when a person of color is killed by them?
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Exactly. Why didn't they call from their car asking him to put the gun down? They could stay behind their car doors if they fear the gun is a real one. They didn't even try to negotiate or ask him to lower the gun.

I agree part of that is the communications issue. But a 12 yr old boy is dead because he had a toy gun. Don't we want to examine why and fix whatever the problem(s) was/were?

I just didn't think cops were in the habit of firing at 12 yr old boys without at least asking them to drop the gun and waiting a few seconds.
 
paddymcdougall said:
Exactly. Why didn't they call from their car asking him to put the gun down? They could stay behind their car doors if they fear the gun is a real one. They didn't even try to negotiate or ask him to lower the gun.

I agree part of that is the communications issue. But a 12 yr old boy is dead because he had a toy gun. Don't we want to examine why and fix whatever the problem(s) was/were?

I just didn't think cops were in the habit of firing at 12 yr old boys without at least asking them to drop the gun and waiting a few seconds.
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Have you seen the John Crawford video? It's ****ing insane.

You just see a guy being a guy in an aisle. Standing... standing... looking at ****. And then, he hits the floor from being shot. In an open carry state. With a toy gun.
 
whysoserious said:
Have you seen the John Crawford video? It's ****ing insane.

You just see a guy being a guy in an aisle. Standing... standing... looking at ****. And then, he hits the floor from being shot. In an open carry state. With a toy gun.
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Exactly. What kind of training says to open fire in a store (with shoppers there) before even asking the guy to drop the gun?
 
This whole false narrative based on Police brutality and disproportionate enforcement is one big red herring.

A diversion from the REAL issues that plague inner city areas.

Generational poverty and dependance, black on black crime.

Its all being ignored ( on purpose ) because you would need to criticize the policies that allowed these problems to grow in order to make things better.

Progressive policies.
 
paddymcdougall said:
Exactly. What kind of training says to open fire in a store (with shoppers there) before even asking the guy to drop the gun?
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I don't know if they did or didn't - it's hard to see. They said they did. But that's the problem to me with the whole narrative:

What movement could he make that is not threatening? Imagine standing in Walmart with a toy gun, and then next thing you know someone is screaming at you. You're going to turn that way, and then you're going to get shot.

Apparently, people on here have no issue with that, but it seems crazy to me.
 
whysoserious said:
I don't know if they did or didn't - it's hard to see. They said they did. But that's the problem to me with the whole narrative:

What movement could he make that is not threatening? Imagine standing in Walmart with a toy gun, and then next thing you know someone is screaming at you. You're going to turn that way, and then you're going to get shot.

Apparently, people on here have no issue with that, but it seems crazy to me.
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You were there ? Or are you going off the video ?
 
whysoserious said:
I don't know if they did or didn't - it's hard to see. They said they did. But that's the problem to me with the whole narrative:

What movement could he make that is not threatening? Imagine standing in Walmart with a toy gun, and then next thing you know someone is screaming at you. You're going to turn that way, and then you're going to get shot.

Apparently, people on here have no issue with that, but it seems crazy to me.
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Yeah. Not many of us have the "coolness" to think "Instead of turning toward a guy who is screaming at me, I'm going to stand totally still."

An innocent man is not expecting to be accosted by cops while shopping at WalMart.
 
Fenton said:
You were there ? Or are you going off the video ?
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Going off the video and the police statements. What do you think you would have done?

Keep in mind, you're standing in an aisle with a toy gun and you have no idea anyone has called the cops on you.

Cops kill man in Wal-Mart carrying an air rifle that he might have planned to buy
She said after police ordered Crawford to put down the weapon, "I heard two shots after I saw him turn. He still had the weapon in his hand."
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paddymcdougall said:
Exactly. Why didn't they call from their car asking him to put the gun down? They could stay behind their car doors if they fear the gun is a real one. They didn't even try to negotiate or ask him to lower the gun.

I agree part of that is the communications issue. But a 12 yr old boy is dead because he had a toy gun. Don't we want to examine why and fix whatever the problem(s) was/were?

I just didn't think cops were in the habit of firing at 12 yr old boys without at least asking them to drop the gun and waiting a few seconds.
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1. no way to tell they were dealing with a 12 year old
2. the gun the boy was pointing at cops didnt look like a toy

are there things i dont like about this story......you bet

why in the **** are manufacturers still allowed to make 'toys" so realistic? why arent they at least bright yellow, or green, or something that any cop in the nation would automatically see and KNOW that the weapon pointed at them isnt DEADLY

a lot of you seem to want to point fingers at the cops saying "you should have known"

it doesnt work that way.....they have split seconds to make life or death decisions

in this case, the decision led to tragic results......

but wanting to place the blame on the officers who responded is just idiotic

communications broke down......and the "toy" was way too realistic

you want blame....point it in those directions
 
gdgyva said:
1. no way to tell they were dealing with a 12 year old
2. the gun the boy was pointing at cops didnt look like a toy

are there things i dont like about this story......you bet

why in the **** are manufacturers still allowed to make 'toys" so realistic? why arent they at least bright yellow, or green, or something that any cop in the nation would automatically see and KNOW that the weapon pointed at them isnt DEADLY

a lot of you seem to want to point fingers at the cops saying "you should have known"

it doesnt work that way.....they have split seconds to make life or death decisions

in this case, the decision led to tragic results......

but wanting to place the blame on the officers who responded is just idiotic

communications broke down......and the "toy" was way too realistic

you want blame....point it in those directions
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You're either being purposefully obtuse or blindly lopsided in your thinking.

Why did the police bumrush the scene like that? Why didn't they dash out of the car with their guns drawn and ready before the kid could even respond? Why did they lie and say the kid pointed the gun at them (he never withdrew the toy, so the whole canard about the red tip being removed is pointless and used strictly as a diversion)?
 
Tettsuo said:
You're either being purposefully obtuse or blindly lopsided in your thinking.

Why did the police bumrush the scene like that? Why didn't they dash out of the car with their guns drawn and ready before the kid could even respond? Why did they lie and say the kid pointed the gun at them (he never withdrew the toy, so the whole canard about the red tip being removed is pointless and used strictly as a diversion)?
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Maybe the police responded the way they did because of the chants and sing-alongs that have become so popular among the far left. Ferguson Protesters Chant: 'Deck The Halls With Rows Of Dead Cops' - Fox Nation
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dj4ARsxrZh8
 
whysoserious said:
Is there no assessing before the toy gun is pulled? For instance, "hey we just got a call that a young kid is pointing a gun at people, though the caller said it could be a toy... maybe we should figure out if he has a real gun before we shoot him?" The video is insane. They know this kid might have a gun or a toy gun, so their genius ****ing plan is to park the car right in front of him, and if he makes a sudden movement to put him on blast?
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The dumb **** kid was waving it around and shouting threats. Why should the cops risk their lives and the lives of others over "could be"?
 
Roadvirus said:
The dumb **** kid was waving it around and shouting threats. Why should the cops risk their lives and the lives of others over "could be"?
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It's interesting how well trained you are to accept whatever you're told by the government and it's jackbooted thugs.

Good luck slave.
 
Roadvirus said:
The dumb **** kid was waving it around and shouting threats. Why should the cops risk their lives and the lives of others over "could be"?
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That's what you heard. So if I call the cops on some guy I see carrying, and I say he is pointing his gun at people and making threats, the police can just shoot him if he makes any sudden movements? And you support that?
 
Tettsuo said:
You're either being purposefully obtuse or blindly lopsided in your thinking.

Why did the police bumrush the scene like that? Why didn't they dash out of the car with their guns drawn and ready before the kid could even respond? Why did they lie and say the kid pointed the gun at them (he never withdrew the toy, so the whole canard about the red tip being removed is pointless and used strictly as a diversion)?
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you really need to go on an inner city patrol for a few days

actually sit down with a few patrol officers of all backgrounds, and experience levels

maybe...just maybe you might get an idea of what it is these guys do on a daily basis

they "bumrush" as you call it, because someone is brandishing a weapon

they have zero idea until they get there what the real situation is.......

but god forbid they go in slow, and the "perp" fires off a number of rounds while they are thinking about what to do

and a innocent bystander gets shot........

yeah......i can see those headlines now.......cops let gunman kill bystander while they try to figure out what's going on....

lmao.....

(he never withdrew the toy, so the whole canard about the red tip being removed is pointless and used strictly as a diversion)?........what.....did you watch the video......are we talking about the same case?
 
whysoserious said:
That's what you heard. So if I call the cops on some guy I see carrying, and I say he is pointing his gun at people and making threats, the police can just shoot him if he makes any sudden movements? And you support that?
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if i have been waving a gun at people, and cops arrive and yell at me to drop the weapon.....and i dont

instead i start turning to where i easily can bring the gun into firing position on them

you bet your ass i would expect to be shot........at least 2-3 times in the center mass

because that is exactly what i would do in that situation

if you are too stupid to listen, and to DROP the weapon......you deserve to die
 
gdgyva said:
you really need to go on an inner city patrol for a few days

actually sit down with a few patrol officers of all backgrounds, and experience levels

maybe...just maybe you might get an idea of what it is these guys do on a daily basis

they "bumrush" as you call it, because someone is brandishing a weapon

they have zero idea until they get there what the real situation is.......

but god forbid they go in slow, and the "perp" fires off a number of rounds while they are thinking about what to do

and a innocent bystander gets shot........

yeah......i can see those headlines now.......cops let gunman kill bystander while they try to figure out what's going on....

lmao.....

(he never withdrew the toy, so the whole canard about the red tip being removed is pointless and used strictly as a diversion)?........what.....did you watch the video......are we talking about the same case?
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I'm addressing the 12 year old that was shot by the cops.

In that case, the boy was NOT brandishing the toy when the cops got there. In fact, he was sitting quietly on a bench.
 
gdgyva said:
if i have been waving a gun at people, and cops arrive and yell at me to drop the weapon.....and i dont

instead i start turning to where i easily can bring the gun into firing position on them

you bet your ass i would expect to be shot........at least 2-3 times in the center mass

because that is exactly what i would do in that situation

if you are too stupid to listen, and to DROP the weapon......you deserve to die
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wow...

Don't know how to even address such a fact-free, and twisted reality post like this.
 
gdgyva said:
if i have been waving a gun at people, and cops arrive and yell at me to drop the weapon.....and i dont

instead i start turning to where i easily can bring the gun into firing position on them

you bet your ass i would expect to be shot........at least 2-3 times in the center mass

because that is exactly what i would do in that situation

if you are too stupid to listen, and to DROP the weapon......you deserve to die
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What if you weren't doing that, but I just didn't like you being there so I called the cops and said you were? And then the cops get there, and you turn toward them with your hands in your pocket (because you don't know what the **** is going on), and then you catch 2-3 "center mass".
 
whysoserious said:
What if you weren't doing that, but I just didn't like you being there so I called the cops and said you were? And then the cops get there, and you turn toward them with your hands in your pocket (because you don't know what the **** is going on), and then you catch 2-3 "center mass".
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show me a shooting like that......

with hands in pocket, and zero threatening moves

and no one reporting a weapon being brandished

and i will be on your side.......

again.....never said cops were perfect.....

is there a shooting like that? if so, was the officer brought up on charges?

if not, what were the extenuating circumstances that havent been said?
 
In regards to the 12 year old, why do you think they posted those vids of him pointing the toy gun at people? They cops weren't there and were not witness to the boy playing, so why is it relevant?

None of that was happening when the cops arrived on scene, so how is it relevant to the shooting?

It's NOT! It's shown to justify the cops actions.

Don't let them turn you into sheep people!
 
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