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Police: Officer in Missouri shot, Killed man who Pulled Gun..... [W:22]

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CanadaJohn said:
Context is everything - you were adamant, 100%, never say a word, just ask for a lawyer.

That's great advice in this case because the guy was carrying a gun, registration unknown, concealed probably without a permit, and thus a criminal as he stood there living and breathing. Who knows - perhaps if he'd simply answered the officer's questions, he could be on DP today bitching about police brutality instead of getting prettified for the funeral.
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I literally never said that. I said to use your own discretion at answering questions, and ask for a lawyer and remain silent if you aren't comfortable answering.

In the case you are talking about, there were no questions because he allegedly drew a firearm and aimed it at a police officer. He failed at step 1.
 
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CanadaJohn said:
If there were more irrational people, people spoiling for a fight, in America as your post seems to condone, I'd likely stay in Canada.
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The fact that you think asking police officers questions is "irrational" and "spoiling" for a fight demonstrates that you have a dangerously authoritarian concept of police work. Since the vast majority of Americans I know do not hold the same view, I suggest that you stay in Canada.

I know, however, that the vast majority of people in America, at least the ones I've encountered, no matter their race or ethnicity, have been good, honest, open and welcoming people and a pleasure to be around. I will say, anecdotally, that several black Americans have complimented me at times on my manners and politeness when in conversation with them - this includes a host of service industry staff.

Perhaps it's not this Canadian who's the problem but the giant chips on some people's shoulders.
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I'm glad you enjoyed your stay and that you met enough Black people here to use them to your benefit.
 
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whysoserious said:
1) Generally no.
2) No
3) No
4) No
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Then in my eyes you make no goddamn sense.
 
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apdst said:
And you might lose your ass, too, along with being charged with obstruction. Good luck with your attitude...you'll need it.
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Ok, well I'm not seeing any extreme attitude in whysoserious. The truth is that it isn't always the best idea to talk to the police. He's also saying not to be a dick, don't resist, if the arrest is bad, deal with it in civil court. That's actually all pretty reasonable.
 
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X Factor said:
Ok, well I'm not seeing any extreme attitude in whysoserious. The truth is that it isn't always the best idea to talk to the police. He's also saying not to be a dick, don't resist, if the arrest is bad, deal with it in civil court. That's actually all pretty reasonable.
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I probably should have listed it out that way originally. I started with you don't have to answer questions which gave off the air that I wanted people to never answer questions I think.
 
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Henrin said:
Who cares why I'm there? Who am I harming by driving around on the road?
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are you really that naive?

the cops job is to protect its citizenry

a car going too slow down a road at night (may not have said that part earlier) in a neighborhood "could" be suspicious

maybe someone is casing the neighborhood for burglaries.....

i had zero issue with him stopping me to check

but then again....i try to follow the law, and i respect the job these guys do
 
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Henrin said:
Then in my eyes you make no goddamn sense.
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What part? Just because there are things in the system I don't like, doesn't mean I have to rage against the machine.
 
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gdgyva said:
are you really that naive?

the cops job is to protect its citizenry

a car going too slow down a road at night (may not have said that part earlier) in a neighborhood "could" be suspicious

maybe someone is casing the neighborhood for burglaries.....

i had zero issue with him stopping me to check

but then again....i try to follow the law, and i respect the job these guys do
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I don't care what he finds suspicious. :shrug:
 
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whysoserious said:
What part? Just because there are things in the system I don't like, doesn't mean I have to rage against the machine.
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There is literally nothing about the system you like. :lol:

Then again, I suppose I didn't ask you how you feel about putting your life in the hands of complete strangers in court.
 
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Henrin said:
There is literally nothing about the system you like. :lol:
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I'm a glass half-full kind of guy. I think the system is generally full of good people who are attempting to do good things.
 
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ThePlayDrive said:
The fact that you think asking police officers questions is "irrational" and "spoiling" for a fight demonstrates that you have a dangerously authoritarian concept of police work. Since the vast majority of Americans I know do not hold the same view, I suggest that you stay in Canada.


I'm glad you enjoyed your stay and that you met enough Black people here to use them to your benefit.
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Your post is a prime example of someone with a giant chip on their shoulders. Your asshole remark in the last sentence says it all. You sound like an Al Sharpton wannabe.

I'd advise you never have contact with police if your words here are indicative of how you live your life.
 
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whysoserious said:
I'm a glass half-full kind of guy. I think the system is generally full of good people who are attempting to do good things.
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From what you said you appear to agree with me that the glass is full of piss.
 
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Declan said:
Which Judge investigated the Ferguson decision? Get real.
Judges don't hear cases that are never brought. Baaaaaah.
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What stops any judge from taking an interest in a case, studying it and forming a conclusion? :roll:

Just like you have joined this thread.
 
Declan said:
Discussing guns in a thread about two guns is apparently a no no and there is video of the incident on the internet if you wish to seek it out. I have seen it linked on other sites.
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Lol...

Just start your own thread if you want to talk about Guns.
 
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Henrin said:
Isn't it interesting that you are only obeying because you want to avoid aggression on your person and spending time in an unsafe place? You're not obeying because you respect the guy or that you respect the rules, but that you know the guy can **** up your life. What a wonderful system we have here.
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I have no idea where you got all of that crap. I answer the questions because he is there to do a job I ask him to do, we are the same, we both don't like crooks and we chose to pay him to catch them. I respect both him and the job and the rule that says don't steal our ****. I have zero fear of him ****ing up my life, I'm not a paranoid nutcase that fears cops. Most people that do, probably have a reason to.
 
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Henrin said:
I don't care what he finds suspicious. :shrug:
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bingo

we have a winner

i wish you all the luck in the world, and if and when you get stopped, i hope it is one really docile cop

respect usually is a two way street......

the uniform gives him the advantage.....you have to earn yours
 
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Truckstop said:
I have no idea where you got all of that crap. I answer the questions because he is there to do a job I ask him to do, we are the same, we both don't like crooks and we chose to pay him to catch them. I respect both him and the job and the rule that says don't steal our ****. I have zero fear of him ****ing up my life, I'm not a paranoid nutcase that fears cops. Most people that do, probably have a reason to.
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I don't think we are really at odds. My point was from the perspective of a non criminal. If a cop in a parking lot of target ask to see in my bag, I will show him the contents and the receipt in order to avoid getting arrested, getting a lawyer and having him show him the items and receipt. If I at all think that there are serious charges about to be levied at me I will certainly take advantage of all my rights.
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You didn't say you will show him the contents of your bag because you respected the guy or the rules he is enforcing, but that you didn't want to get arrested go through the legal system.
 
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Henrin said:
Because jail is a terrible place you don't want to be.
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Worse than a coffin?
 
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Henrin said:
You didn't say you will show him the contents of your bag because you respected the guy or the rules he is enforcing, but that you didn't want to get arrested.
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? Again, because it is his job, I'm not stupid and understand that he needs to do this and by helping him get through it quicker we both can get on with our day. No fear, just respect and common sense.
 
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gdgyva said:
bingo

we have a winner

i wish you all the luck in the world, and if and when you get stopped, i hope it is one really docile cop

respect usually is a two way street......

the uniform gives him the advantage.....you have to earn yours
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The badge and uniform is just that a badge and a uniform. What gives him the advantage is that he has greater numbers and is the aggressor in the situation. All I'm doing by driving around in the neighborhood is....ahhhhh...I suppose drive around in the neighborhood. I can't really think of anything else I'm doing. :lol:
 
GreatNews2night said:
OK, I'm exaggerating a bit the psychotic guy who quit his psychiatric medication and is seeing space aliens around which is not very likely, just for the sake of the argument, but what I'm saying is that anything could have happened, from the cop talking calmly to the teen and getting threatened with a gun for no reason, to an incident fueled by the race tensions in that area getting out of hand again, from the cop being deranged and acting with completely unjustified force.

At this time we have no idea about what happened except that the police sustain that the teen pointed a gun at the cop, which may or may not be true (see post #66).

All other assumptions are premature until more facts are known.
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Funny post (#201)! Nice writeup
 
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Truckstop said:
? Again, because it is his job, I'm not stupid and understand that he needs to do this and by helping him get through it quicker we both can get on with our day. No fear, just respect and common sense.
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Sorry, but you said flat out that you are showing him the contents of your bag because you want to avoid getting arrested and dealing with the legal system. I never said it was fear, I never said it wasn't common sense, but I did say your motivations are not that you agree with the law or that you respect the officer and what he does. We don't do what the officer wants because we like them, but that we are trying to protect our own asses.
 
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webrockk said:
Worse than a coffin?
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Depends on what I did. If the punishment is years in prison, then yeah, a coffin is better.
 
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Henrin said:
Depends on what I did. If the punishment is years in prison, then yeah, a coffin is better.
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Shoplifting? Is that worth a gun fight with the PoPo?
 
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