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    Re: Police: Officer in Missouri shot, Killed man who Pulled Gun..... [W:22]

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    Lol !

    VERY Bad idea.

    The lingering threat of being charged with a crime everytime you call 911 would just mean less crimes get reported.

    You NEED people to report crime. You don't need to threaten them by saying youll could be criminally charged for saying the wrong thing while under duress.
    I do believe you get in trouble if you call 911 for a non-emergency. You should also get in trouble if you call 911 with deliberately false information.

    It may be hard to prove, of course, but in this case sounds like it would be easy to prove.

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    Re: Police: Officer in Missouri shot, Killed man who Pulled Gun..... [W:22]

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    Lol !

    VERY Bad idea.

    The lingering threat of being charged with a crime everytime you call 911 would just mean less crimes get reported.

    You NEED people to report crime. You don't need to threaten them by saying youll could be criminally charged for saying the wrong thing while under duress.
    Very bad idea? Go tell it to legislators, then, because it is *already* in the law books. Deliberately overwhelming emergency systems with false calls or deliberately lying in a 911 call is already a punishable offense with fines and even jail time.

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    Re: Police: Officer in Missouri shot, Killed man who Pulled Gun.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Declan View Post
    Yes guns should be banned, starting with handguns and readily concealed weapons. Has nothing to do with Hands Up, Don't Shoot. It has to do with the death toll.
    With that chain of thought, when do we start banning cars?
    Quote Originally Posted by Bucky View Post
    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
    Quote Originally Posted by applejuicefool View Post
    A murderer putting a bullet through someone's brain is a medical procedure too.

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    Re: Police: Officer in Missouri shot, Killed man who Pulled Gun..... [W:22]

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    This may sound like a good idea and all, and I'm sure you're extremely noble regarding this kind of thing, but I think it's not nearly as simple as you suggest. The reality is there's likely to be a number of such instances where it's not clearly black and white. Even where it is black and white, undoubtably there are still going to be people who complain and simply use it to their advantage.

    For example, there are those who are screaming that a cop should NEVER shoot an unarmed person. If a body camera shows a suspect attempting to get the officers gun and physically threatening the officer, it's going to lead some to suggest it was justified (there's reason to say the officer felt that his life was being threatened) while others will scream "See! He was UNARMED!"

    Being a sports fan and seeing the vast amount of monday morning quarterbacking...judging situations not based on the context of when and how they were actually happening, but rather judging them with full knowledge of how the situation played out...I just don't trust that somehow we'd see any more true "justice" done by making these kind of things immedietely available for public consumption in an unfiltered sort of way. To me that doesn't create any net fix of issues, it simply fixes some while creating a slew of others.
    Yes, a lethal threat can be recognized (if you're lucky) and carried out in an instant...whether someone has a gun or not they can still be a deadly threat. It's not always possible to 2nd guess that for someone else, what they perceived in that instant.

    In 2001 we had a cop killed by a naked guy here. Guy was either mentally ill or on drugs, in an intersection. The cop tried to get him out of the intersection, the guy got hostile. The guy got the cop's gun and killed him. Then he could have killed bystanders. It was a veteran cop and yeah, he made a mistake.

    But if he had even drawn his weapon at a naked guy, the media would have crucified him. And if he had shot him? In today's climate he'd probably be in jail. Certainly many people would be screaming for that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bucky View Post
    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
    Quote Originally Posted by applejuicefool View Post
    A murderer putting a bullet through someone's brain is a medical procedure too.

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    Re: Police: Officer in Missouri shot, Killed man who Pulled Gun.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    With that chain of thought, when do we start banning cars?
    When do we start controlling guns like we do cars?

    Cars main purpose is NOT to kill people. In spite of that, we require drivers licenses, insurance, vision tests. Cars have safety features like safety belts and air bags. Cars are continually tested for safety in crashes; they are rated so everyone knows. When a car has a defect, there is a major recall launched. If cars are involved in crashes due to something about the car, the manufacturer can be sued. We have anti-DUI laws and roadblocks to check that.

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    Re: Police: Officer in Missouri shot, Killed man who Pulled Gun..... [W:22]

    Quote Originally Posted by paddymcdougall View Post
    I do believe you get in trouble if you call 911 for a non-emergency. You should also get in trouble if you call 911 with deliberately false information.

    It may be hard to prove, of course, but in this case sounds like it would be easy to prove.
    Not here. I called 911 one night about a really loud party with underage drinkers. I looked ALL OVER for the non-emergency number and couldnt find it.

    I told that to the 911 dispatcher and she said it was fine and if not an emergency I would be redirected. I've noticed the last few yrs tho that the non-emergency numbers are more available.
    Quote Originally Posted by Bucky View Post
    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
    Quote Originally Posted by applejuicefool View Post
    A murderer putting a bullet through someone's brain is a medical procedure too.

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    Re: Police: Officer in Missouri shot, Killed man who Pulled Gun..... [W:22]

    My local 911 bitched me out hard when I called because I didn't know the local number and the 911 person felt it wasn't an emergency. I need your 911 service!

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    Re: Police: Officer in Missouri shot, Killed man who Pulled Gun.....

    Quote Originally Posted by paddymcdougall View Post
    When do we start controlling guns like we do cars?

    Cars main purpose is NOT to kill people. In spite of that, we require drivers licenses, insurance, vision tests. Cars have safety features like safety belts and air bags. Cars are continually tested for safety in crashes; they are rated so everyone knows. When a car has a defect, there is a major recall launched. If cars are involved in crashes due to something about the car, the manufacturer can be sued. We have anti-DUI laws and roadblocks to check that.
    Doesnt matter...the people are still dead and injured. Same result. All those regulations and still all the dead people...with something designed NOT to be lethal. (Alth it is very much so, completely inherent in its size, speed, etc).
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    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
    Quote Originally Posted by applejuicefool View Post
    A murderer putting a bullet through someone's brain is a medical procedure too.

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    Re: Police: Officer in Missouri shot, Killed man who Pulled Gun..... [W:22]

    Quote Originally Posted by paddymcdougall View Post
    My local 911 bitched me out hard when I called because I didn't know the local number and the 911 person felt it wasn't an emergency. I need your 911 service!
    It might be a state thing or they may have been busy. And that might be why the non-emergency numbers are more available now.
    Quote Originally Posted by Bucky View Post
    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
    Quote Originally Posted by applejuicefool View Post
    A murderer putting a bullet through someone's brain is a medical procedure too.

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    Re: Police: Officer in Missouri shot, Killed man who Pulled Gun..... [W:22]

    Quote Originally Posted by gdgyva View Post
    what...you think they hung back until he got up?

    then they zoomed in, opened the door, and just murdered another black boy

    not biased or anything are you?

    why do you detest cops so much? gotta be a story there somewhere
    Tell you what tho...with people now targeting cops, that will only make incidents like this more likely. The cops will be more on edge, more suspicious, more defensive.

    Scares me too. IMO people are creating what they feared...MORE trigger-happy cops.
    Quote Originally Posted by Bucky View Post
    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
    Quote Originally Posted by applejuicefool View Post
    A murderer putting a bullet through someone's brain is a medical procedure too.

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