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    Re: Police: Officer in Missouri shot, Killed man who Pulled Gun..... [W:22]

    Quote Originally Posted by whysoserious View Post
    Wouldn't you think if he did that there would be video of it (is there? I haven't seen it)? As far as I am aware, the witnesses that called the cops recanted their statements that he was being threatening with it.

    But, Vance, why does that even matter? I could just as easily call the cops and say you're doing that even if you aren't.

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    Which is what makes the prospect of "Swatting" so much scarier. How lucky is it that no one has been shot and killed yet?
    If you called the cops and they rolled up on the scene and it turns out it was exactly as it was called in, and that I WAS in fact running around the store with what was presumed to be a real weapon, I would in fact be ****ed...and deservedly so. If they approached me I dropped the BB gun and ran, THEN rushed to pick it up in the face of law enforcement, I would be double ****ed and DOUBLE deservedly so.

    And in the Crawford case...sunovagun...thats precisely what happened. WATCH the video. It has been called in. He is standing in an aisle. He sees cops approach and he drops the weapon and darts around the corner. THEN...he rushes for the weapon with the cops approaching. Is that the video you have seen? That IS what happened.

    I dont understand why you cling to this false narrative that he was just a poor little innocent victim that was gunned down for being black in WalMart. The only possible solution is you are intent on being right, even if that means lying about it, or you still simply havent watched the video (which you stated was the case when we initially discussed the shooting). So...have you since seen the actual video?

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    Re: Police: Officer in Missouri shot, Killed man who Pulled Gun..... [W:22]

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    If you called the cops and they rolled up on the scene and it turns out it was exactly as it was called in, and that I WAS in fact running around the store with what was presumed to be a real weapon, I would in fact be ****ed...and deservedly so. If they approached me I dropped the BB gun and ran, THEN rushed to pick it up in the face of law enforcement, I would be double ****ed and DOUBLE deservedly so.

    And in the Crawford case...sunovagun...thats precisely what happened. WATCH the video. It has been called in. He is standing in an aisle. He sees cops approach and he drops the weapon and darts around the corner. THEN...he rushes for the weapon with the cops approaching. Is that the video you have seen? That IS what happened.

    I dont understand why you cling to this false narrative that he was just a poor little innocent victim that was gunned down for being black in WalMart. The only possible solution is you are intent on being right, even if that means lying about it, or you still simply havent watched the video (which you stated was the case when we initially discussed the shooting). So...have you since seen the actual video?
    I didn't see that. I watched the video and to me, it looked like he just turned and then he got shot. Can you take screen shots of that?
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    Re: Police: Officer in Missouri shot, Killed man who Pulled Gun..... [W:22]

    Quote Originally Posted by whysoserious View Post
    I didn't see that. I watched the video and to me, it looked like he just turned and then he got shot. Can you take screen shots of that?
    Ohio Walmart CCTV captures John Crawford shooting - video | US news | The Guardian

    How have you not seen that?

    At 22 seconds he drops the gun to the ground and dives around the corner of the aisle. At 26 seconds the officer comes into the frame. At 27 seconds he darts from the corner of the aisle to the gun. At 29 seconds he is on the ground.

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    Re: Police: Officer in Missouri shot, Killed man who Pulled Gun..... [W:22]

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Ohio Walmart CCTV captures John Crawford shooting - video | US news | The Guardian

    How have you not seen that?

    At 22 seconds he drops the gun to the ground and dives around the corner of the aisle. At 26 seconds the officer comes into the frame. At 27 seconds he darts from the corner of the aisle to the gun. At 29 seconds he is on the ground.
    Oh wow, why in the hell did he dart from the corner to the gun? This was incredibly stupid behavior and completely hard to understand unless he was aiming at "suicide by cop." After seeing this, I actually don't blame the cop. With this kind of behavior, how would the cop NOT think that he was a threat?

    Now, the same website has an account of the 911 call and syncs it with the store video. The caller clearly lies and says the suspect is pointing the rifle at two children which he clearly wasn't doing. Then they looked up the caller's background and found abundant evidence of racist behavior, and lying about being an ex-Marine when he enlisted and was thrown out immediately for enlistment fraud. Also, in the confusion that ensued after the shooting a 37-year-old mother of two who was shopping with her two kids died of a heart attack. This 911 caller who embellished it, made up stuff, and lied to the 911 operator has two lives on his hands, and is a lot more to blame than the police.

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    Re: Police: Officer in Missouri shot, Killed man who Pulled Gun..... [W:22]

    Quote Originally Posted by GreatNews2night View Post
    Oh wow, why in the hell did he dart from the corner to the gun? This was incredibly stupid behavior and completely hard to understand unless he was aiming at "suicide by cop." After seeing this, I actually don't blame the cop. With this kind of behavior, how would the cop NOT think that he was a threat?

    Now, the same website has an account of the 911 call and syncs it with the store video. The caller clearly lies and says the suspect is pointing the rifle at two children which he clearly wasn't doing. Then they looked up the caller's background and found abundant evidence of racist behavior, and lying about being an ex-Marine when he enlisted and was thrown out immediately for enlistment fraud. Also, in the confusion that ensued after the shooting a 37-year-old mother of two who was shopping with her two kids died of a heart attack. This 911 caller who embellished it, made up stuff, and lied to the 911 operator has two lives on his hands, and is a lot more to blame than the police.
    certainly something worth checking in on and may warrant charges. Id like to see all the story video tracking his movement from the moment he took the gun out of the box.

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    Re: Police: Officer in Missouri shot, Killed man who Pulled Gun..... [W:22]

    Quote Originally Posted by GreatNews2night View Post

    Now, the same website has an account of the 911 call and syncs it with the store video. The caller clearly lies and says the suspect is pointing the rifle at two children which he clearly wasn't doing. Then they looked up the caller's background and found abundant evidence of racist behavior, and lying about being an ex-Marine when he enlisted and was thrown out immediately for enlistment fraud. Also, in the confusion that ensued after the shooting a 37-year-old mother of two who was shopping with her two kids died of a heart attack. This 911 caller who embellished it, made up stuff, and lied to the 911 operator has two lives on his hands, and is a lot more to blame than the police.
    I would agree about the 911 caller; they should definitely be charged with something if they did that.

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    Re: Police: Officer in Missouri shot, Killed man who Pulled Gun..... [W:22]

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Ohio Walmart CCTV captures John Crawford shooting - video | US news | The Guardian

    How have you not seen that?

    At 22 seconds he drops the gun to the ground and dives around the corner of the aisle. At 26 seconds the officer comes into the frame. At 27 seconds he darts from the corner of the aisle to the gun. At 29 seconds he is on the ground.
    Wow, the youtube video I saw must have been terrible (maybe it cut out the part when he got shot??).

    Pretty ****ty way to die. He was obviously pretty scared and for good reason.
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    Re: Police: Officer in Missouri shot, Killed man who Pulled Gun..... [W:22]

    Quote Originally Posted by paddymcdougall View Post
    I would agree about the 911 caller; they should definitely be charged with something if they did that.
    Yes, apparently making false statements to 911 can be punished with a fine and/or some jail time. Not a fitting punishment for something so wrong - that is, lying to 911 explicitly and in purpose to get someone from another race in trouble, if this is indeed what the caller did - which resulted directly and indirectly in the death of two people, but at least it would be a start, to discourage something like this from happening in the future.

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    Re: Police: Officer in Missouri shot, Killed man who Pulled Gun..... [W:22]

    I'm still puzzled at why he made a dive to this unloaded BB gun. He couldn't have possibly thought that he would defend himself from the police using that gun unloaded, non-lethal (even if loaded) gun. Had he just left the gun behind and remained on the floor without moving, he'd probably be alive.

    I mean, after the police got the embellished report from the jerky 911 caller and after seeing this man diving back to recover a gun that looked realistic, I 100% don't blame these cops. I mean, put yourself in their situation - what would they have thought? The suspect is reported (falsely) to have pointed the gun at two children... in spite of being cornered by armed police he makes a dive to try and get the gun back... Probably very close to 100% of any cops facing this kind of situation would have fired their weapons at that point, for self protection and to protect the public.

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    Re: Police: Officer in Missouri shot, Killed man who Pulled Gun..... [W:22]

    Quote Originally Posted by paddymcdougall View Post
    I would agree about the 911 caller; they should definitely be charged with something if they did that.

    Lol !

    VERY Bad idea.

    The lingering threat of being charged with a crime everytime you call 911 would just mean less crimes get reported.

    You NEED people to report crime. You don't need to threaten them by saying youll could be criminally charged for saying the wrong thing while under duress.

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