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    Re: Police: Officer in Missouri shot, Killed man who Pulled Gun..... [W:22]

    Quote Originally Posted by GreatNews2night View Post
    For me, corruption is evil, since you appropriate funds that would be best used for the good of your constituents, especially when you steal public money which happens less in the US (but does happen, if you expand the definition of stealing) but a lot more in the Third World, so, when you consider that for some corrupt guy to get rich, children will starve and die of infectious diseases because there will be no money left for school lunches, decent medical facilities and clean water, then, that's evil.
    Good point on the appropriation of public funds; I don't think that happens too often here, but I'm sure it does sometimes.

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    Re: Police: Officer in Missouri shot, Killed man who Pulled Gun..... [W:22]

    Quote Originally Posted by paddymcdougall View Post
    Good point on the appropriation of public funds; I don't think that happens too often here, but I'm sure it does sometimes.
    The way it happens here is more subtle. For example, recently in the news there was a report that some businesses had won contracts to sell supplies to the US military in debatable circumstances, and then sold the material in overpriced manner and with sub-standard specifications. This is not stealing as in taking money directly from public coffers and stuffing it in your pocket, but is still, when defined more broadly, stealing from public funds.

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    Re: Police: Officer in Missouri shot, Killed man who Pulled Gun..... [W:22]

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Assessment takes less than a second.

    It's called the "OODA loop". I learned about it in the Army and I'm certain police train some version of it also.
    • Observation: the collection of data by means of the senses.
    • Orientation: the analysis and synthesis of data to form one's current mental perspective.
    • Decision: the determination of a course of action based on one's current mental perspective.
    • Action: the physical playing-out of decisions.

    Part of the training police undertake, which is why we trust them with firearms in the first place, develops the automatic response of pulling the service weapon and moving when a detainee produces a weapon.

    A cop drawing his weapon and firing on someone who points a gun at him is in perfect harmony with police training and desired action. This is exactly what we, the people, want cops to do.
    Is there no assessing before the toy gun is pulled? For instance, "hey we just got a call that a young kid is pointing a gun at people, though the caller said it could be a toy... maybe we should figure out if he has a real gun before we shoot him?" The video is insane. They know this kid might have a gun or a toy gun, so their genius ****ing plan is to park the car right in front of him, and if he makes a sudden movement to put him on blast?

    Can we be honest and just admit that wasn't handled as well as it could have been?
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    Re: Police: Officer in Missouri shot, Killed man who Pulled Gun..... [W:22]

    Quote Originally Posted by whysoserious View Post
    Is there no assessing before the toy gun is pulled?
    This shooting involved real firearms, no toys.

    Your OODA loop cycles several times per second.

    Quote Originally Posted by whysoserious View Post
    For instance, "hey we just got a call that a young kid is pointing a gun at people, though the caller said it could be a toy... maybe we should figure out if he has a real gun before we shoot him?"
    I recall that other story, here's the toy in question:



    .......even if I took a second to look at the gun, I know I still would have thought that was real.

    Quote Originally Posted by whysoserious View Post
    The video is insane. They know this kid might have a gun or a toy gun, so their genius ****ing plan is to park the car right in front of him, and if he makes a sudden movement to put him on blast?
    I assume "put him on blast" is a euphemism for shoot? This thread is about a teen who pulled a very real firearm on a cop. Not a kid waiving a toy, but a teen pointing a real firearm at a cop.

    Quote Originally Posted by whysoserious View Post
    Can we be honest and just admit that wasn't handled as well as it could have been?
    The shooting that this thread is about was handled perfectly.
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    Re: Police: Officer in Missouri shot, Killed man who Pulled Gun..... [W:22]

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    You got mad. You lost the game.

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    That's who the Ferguson protesters are all about. That's who they're defending. That's who their marching for. That's the behavior they endorse, in addition to cop killing.
    Some time back on the forum I posted that not only do I see no problem with Michael Brown being gunned down and that the shooting was justified, but further that the world is better off without Michael Brown. Even before your video, it was clear that of a 300 lb 18 year so bold as to slug a police officer in his car, he has and will hurt many other people worse, such as old people, women, and anyone else he can hurt for his amusement or profit. Glad he's dead.

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    Re: Police: Officer in Missouri shot, Killed man who Pulled Gun..... [W:22]

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    Some time back on the forum I posted that not only do I see no problem with Michael Brown being gunned down and that the shooting was justified, but further that the world is better off without Michael Brown. Even before your video, it was clear that of a 300 lb 18 year so bold as to slug a police officer in his car, he has and will hurt many other people worse, such as old people, women, and anyone else he can hurt for his amusement or profit. Glad he's dead.
    So people should get the death sentence and have it implemented immediately, no appeals or due process whatsoever, because they *might* in the future hurt someone? Hopefully in this brave new world of yours, no loved ones of yours will be executed this way for what someone thinks they *might* do in the future. While I believe that what happened in Ferguson maybe was justified (or not, I don't know), one thing I do know: your post contains one of the most appalling ideas I've read on this message board, which has no place in modern Western democracies. Over here we don't execute people because we think maybe they'll do something bad in the future. We usually reserve that for cases in which people are found to be guilty of heinous offenses, in a court of law, and once all appeals have been exhausted.

    "Oh, let's kill the kid. Who knows if some day he'll hurt some woman or elderly person? Off with his head!"

    Maybe you and your ideas should get a time machine and move back to the middle ages or the Wild West, or you should join ISIS or something. You'd be more surrounded with people who think like you. There's always a risk that someone will pick a beef with you and summarily execute you on spot with no right to defense or due process, but hey, you asked for it.

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    Re: Police: Officer in Missouri shot, Killed man who Pulled Gun..... [W:22]

    Quote Originally Posted by whysoserious View Post
    Is there no assessing before the toy gun is pulled? For instance, "hey we just got a call that a young kid is pointing a gun at people, though the caller said it could be a toy... maybe we should figure out if he has a real gun before we shoot him?" The video is insane. They know this kid might have a gun or a toy gun, so their genius ****ing plan is to park the car right in front of him, and if he makes a sudden movement to put him on blast?

    Can we be honest and just admit that wasn't handled as well as it could have been?
    I think your hope of the "good guy" being able to discern between a toy, and real gun in the heat of the moment when the subject is for whatever reason NOT complying with verbal order, is the result of watching too much TV crime drama. These cops are human beings that we task with impossible jobs, then we turn on a dime, and want their heads on a platter when after the fact it isn't crystal clear like we see on Law and Order....

    Also, you speak of a 12 year old like there has never been 12 year olds that would just as soon shoot you dead, and ride their bike away....Must be nice living in your easy viewed world.
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    Re: Police: Officer in Missouri shot, Killed man who Pulled Gun..... [W:22]

    Quote Originally Posted by whysoserious View Post
    Is there no assessing before the toy gun is pulled? For instance, "hey we just got a call that a young kid is pointing a gun at people, though the caller said it could be a toy... maybe we should figure out if he has a real gun before we shoot him?" The video is insane. They know this kid might have a gun or a toy gun, so their genius ****ing plan is to park the car right in front of him, and if he makes a sudden movement to put him on blast?

    Can we be honest and just admit that wasn't handled as well as it could have been?
    The dispatcher only conveyed the bolded above part to the responding officers. Even if you were told that it might be a toy gun do you gamble on that hunch being correct when the gun is pulled on you?
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    Re: Police: Officer in Missouri shot, Killed man who Pulled Gun..... [W:22]

    Quote Originally Posted by GreatNews2night View Post
    So people should get the death sentence and have it implemented immediately, no appeals or due process whatsoever, because they *might* in the future hurt someone? Hopefully in this brave new world of yours, no loved ones of yours will be executed this way for what someone thinks they *might* do in the future. While I believe that what happened in Ferguson maybe was justified (or not, I don't know), one thing I do know: your post contains one of the most appalling ideas I've read on this message board, which has no place in modern Western democracies. Over here we don't execute people because we think maybe they'll do something bad in the future. We usually reserve that for cases in which people are found to be guilty of heinous offenses, in a court of law, and once all appeals have been exhausted.

    "Oh, let's kill the kid. Who knows if some day he'll hurt some woman or elderly person? Off with his head!"

    Maybe you and your ideas should get a time machine and move back to the middle ages or the Wild West, or you should join ISIS or something. You'd be more surrounded with people who think like you. There's always a risk that someone will pick a beef with you and summarily execute you on spot with no right to defense or due process, but hey, you asked for it.
    I never said anything about executions. What I posted is 1.) the officer shooting him was justified and 2.) society and the world is better off without him.

    Some people only have empathy for those who do violence, never the victims. They make up any rationalizations. I don't. He was a violent thug and criminal. Therefore, it is a good thing he is no longer among people.
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    Re: Police: Officer in Missouri shot, Killed man who Pulled Gun..... [W:22]

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    I never said anything about executions. What I posted is 1.) the officer shooting him was justified and 2.) society and the world is better off without him.

    Some people only have empathy for those who do violence, never the victims. They make up any rationalizations. I don't. He was a violent thug and criminal. Therefore, it is a good thing he is no longer among people.
    I bolded part of your statement; THAT part makes it sound like you are for executions with no trial.

    Most of us think people need a trial; that cops shouldn't get to decide who is a thug and should die and who shouldn't. Due process is a very important part of our constitution and laws.

    And how do you know if society is better off without him? What a judgement to make about someone that young. Do people never change in your opinion (if he actually was a criminal now)?

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