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    Police: Officer in Missouri shot, Killed man who Pulled Gun..... [W:22]

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    I've never owned or handled a filthy high-point peasant as I'm a member of the Colt master race, but I'm pretty sure that's a safety:



    I could be wrong though.
    I was just on their website, and I think that you may be correct.

    $189 MSRP for a new 9mm.

    That is damn scary - probably got a trigger pull that is horrific on a good day.

    That monster heavy trigger pull may have saved the cop.
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    Re: Police: Officer in Missouri shot, Killed man who Pulled Gun..... [W:22]

    Quote Originally Posted by SMTA View Post
    I was just on their website, and I think that you may be correct.

    $189 MSRP for a new 9mm.

    That is damn scary - probably got a trigger pull that is horrific on a good day.

    That monster heavy trigger pull may have saved the cop.
    I gotta say I've never been a fan of the manual safety.

    I'm trying to look up the Missouri PD standard pistol but so far all I can find is the current pistol in 9mm and they want to switch to a sig .40.

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    Re: Police: Officer in Missouri shot, Killed man who Pulled Gun..... [W:22]

    Quote Originally Posted by GreatNews2night View Post
    Almost all politicians are evil regardless of party or race.
    Can't agree with this, and given your other thoughtful comments I don't think you have such a un-nuanced view of the world either.

    Politicians are human. They are in a tough job. Most of them are doing their best to do what they think is right for the country and their constituents. They make mistakes; that doesn't make them evil. Even my local tea party republican - Tom McClintock - isn't evil. I think he's wrong on many of the issues; I think he isn't willing to listen; I think he's desperate for a government paid position because he can't get a job in the private sector; I think he's a carpet-bagger (ran in a safe district, not where he lives). But he isn't evil. And actually, compared to other politicians, he's a lot more broke then them, so he's not even money-grabbing.

    I used to live in George Miller's district; hard-working, I liked his stands on various issues, took care of his district, respected by his colleagues. Not evil; retiring now, but his replacement, DeSaulnier, is also hard-working; I've watched his career since he started running for office while owning a restaurant, and I respect him.

    Most politicians are not evil; our election system certainly drives them into desperate fundraising which can lead to corruption. But that doesn't make them evil, and we seem to be unwilling to change the system, so what does that say about us?

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    Re: Police: Officer in Missouri shot, Killed man who Pulled Gun..... [W:22]

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Relevant as ever:

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    Does anyone not think that cartoon is racist and antisemitic, not to mention the presumably hairy armed woman.

    I think we need a poll.

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    Re: Police: Officer in Missouri shot, Killed man who Pulled Gun..... [W:22]

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Does anyone not think that cartoon is racist and antisemitic, not to mention the presumably hairy armed woman.

    I think we need a poll.
    I never click on Jerry's links. I assume they are nothing I want to look at.

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    Re: Police: Officer in Missouri shot, Killed man who Pulled Gun..... [W:22]

    Quote Originally Posted by paddymcdougall View Post
    I never click on Jerry's links. I assume they are nothing I want to look at.
    Let's just address the cartoon itself: http://www.debatepolitics.com/genera...on-racist.html

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    Re: Police: Officer in Missouri shot, Killed man who Pulled Gun..... [W:22]

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Does anyone not think that cartoon is racist and antisemitic, not to mention the presumably hairy armed woman.

    I think we need a poll.
    The Appeal to Popularly fallacy lol

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    Re: Police: Officer in Missouri shot, Killed man who Pulled Gun..... [W:22]

    Quote Originally Posted by paddymcdougall View Post
    Can't agree with this, and given your other thoughtful comments I don't think you have such a un-nuanced view of the world either.

    Politicians are human. They are in a tough job. Most of them are doing their best to do what they think is right for the country and their constituents. They make mistakes; that doesn't make them evil. Even my local tea party republican - Tom McClintock - isn't evil. I think he's wrong on many of the issues; I think he isn't willing to listen; I think he's desperate for a government paid position because he can't get a job in the private sector; I think he's a carpet-bagger (ran in a safe district, not where he lives). But he isn't evil. And actually, compared to other politicians, he's a lot more broke then them, so he's not even money-grabbing.

    I used to live in George Miller's district; hard-working, I liked his stands on various issues, took care of his district, respected by his colleagues. Not evil; retiring now, but his replacement, DeSaulnier, is also hard-working; I've watched his career since he started running for office while owning a restaurant, and I respect him.

    Most politicians are not evil; our election system certainly drives them into desperate fundraising which can lead to corruption. But that doesn't make them evil, and we seem to be unwilling to change the system, so what does that say about us?
    First of all, I spoke a bit with my tongue in my cheek.
    But then, I didn't say that all politicians are evil; I just said "almost all" - and while in some Western democracies things can be a bit better as you point out with your examples, if we think of the world as a whole, yes, *most* politicians are evil, so all that I really need to correct if I take my tongue out of my cheek, is to substitute "most" for "almost all", since most worldwide are corrupt, and have their own interest at heart (that is, getting re-elected and accepting bribes and back-room deals and getting rich) rather than the interest of their constituents.

    Often to even *want* to run for office, folks already have traits like greed and cravings for unmeasured power.

    Now, there's the joke:

    Do you know what are the top three priorities of a conservative politician?

    1. Get re-elected
    2. Get re-elected
    3. Get re-elected

    Do you know what are the top three priorities of a progressive politician?

    1. Get re-elected
    2. Get re-elected
    3. Get re-elected

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    Re: Police: Officer in Missouri shot, Killed man who Pulled Gun..... [W:22]

    Quote Originally Posted by GreatNews2night View Post
    First of all, I spoke a bit with my tongue in my cheek.
    But then, I didn't say that all politicians are evil; I just said "almost all" - and while in some Western democracies things can be a bit better as you point out with your examples, if we think of the world as a whole, yes, *most* politicians are evil, so all that I really need to correct if I take my tongue out of my cheek, is to substitute "most" for "almost all", since most worldwide are corrupt, and have their own interest at heart (that is, getting re-elected and accepting bribes and back-room deals and getting rich) rather than the interest of their constituents.

    Often to even *want* to run for office, folks already have traits like greed and cravings for unmeasured power.

    Now, there's the joke:

    Do you know what are the top three priorities of a conservative politician?

    1. Get re-elected
    2. Get re-elected
    3. Get re-elected

    Do you know what are the top three priorities of a progressive politician?

    1. Get re-elected
    2. Get re-elected
    3. Get re-elected
    Good joke!

    I don't see "corrupt" as equivalent to "evil" (others may disagree)... and I agree if you expand politicians to those worldwide, the number ending up as corrupt and/or evil expands. And the pressure to raise funds to get re-elected - because that's what almost all of them want (besides the occasional Jim Webb) has led to corruption in quite a few politicians, as has the lust for power (Weiner and his stupid pics jumps to mind here)

    By the way, while I haven't examined every politician, there is one fairly current politician I consider as close to evil as any have ever gotten. And that is Dick Cheney. I realize others on the forum may disagree, but when I look at his actions while in office - and since - he comes closest to qualifying.

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    Re: Police: Officer in Missouri shot, Killed man who Pulled Gun..... [W:22]

    Quote Originally Posted by paddymcdougall View Post
    Good joke!

    I don't see "corrupt" as equivalent to "evil" (others may disagree)... and I agree if you expand politicians to those worldwide, the number ending up as corrupt and/or evil expands. And the pressure to raise funds to get re-elected - because that's what almost all of them want (besides the occasional Jim Webb) has led to corruption in quite a few politicians, as has the lust for power (Weiner and his stupid pics jumps to mind here)

    By the way, while I haven't examined every politician, there is one fairly current politician I consider as close to evil as any have ever gotten. And that is Dick Cheney. I realize others on the forum may disagree, but when I look at his actions while in office - and since - he comes closest to qualifying.
    For me, corruption is evil, since you appropriate funds that would be best used for the good of your constituents, especially when you steal public money which happens less in the US (but does happen, if you expand the definition of stealing) but a lot more in the Third World, so, when you consider that for some corrupt guy to get rich, children will starve and die of infectious diseases because there will be no money left for school lunches, decent medical facilities and clean water, then, that's evil.

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