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    Re: Police: Officer in Missouri shot, Killed man who Pulled Gun..... [W:22]

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    *sigh*

    Regarding the lack of indictments, did I ever claim it was?
    Oh yeah, you damn sure did.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Police: Officer in Missouri shot, Killed man who Pulled Gun..... [W:22]

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Oh yeah, you damn sure did.
    Linky?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Police: Officer in Missouri shot, Killed man who Pulled Gun..... [W:22]

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    Linky?
    I have a better idea, you show us where it wasn't just a black thing. That would be less embarrassing for you.
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    Re: Police: Officer in Missouri shot, Killed man who Pulled Gun..... [W:22]

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Yeah, almost never...
    But perhaps the best snapshot of a society that’s willing to take an officer at his word comes from Philip Stinson, an assistant professor at Bowling Green State University who has spent years researching the arrests of police officers for various crimes. According to Stinson’s research, 41 U.S. officers were charged with either murder or manslaughter in connection with an on-duty shooting between 2005 and 2011. For comparison, the FBI reported a total of 2,718 “justified homicides” by law enforcement officers during that seven-year time period. That tally is widely considered incomplete by those familiar with how those numbers are counted. Still, even that low-end estimate suggests that police shoot and kill someone in the United States more than once a day, on average. The overwhelming majority of those killings are deemed justified before the case ever reaches a jury.
    Darren Wilson “no true bill”: Why cops are almost never indicted for shooting someone in the line of duty.
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    Re: Police: Officer in Missouri shot, Killed man who Pulled Gun..... [W:22]

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    You mistake me for someone that gives a **** about your opinion or anything you have to say. Reread your intro to this conversation and start over. Or don't. I literally could not care less if you paid me to.
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    Re: Police: Officer in Missouri shot, Killed man who Pulled Gun..... [W:22]

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Why do blacks have the highest unemployment rates? Why do they have the highest dropout rates? Why do they have the highest teen pregnancy rates? Why do they have the highest incarceration rates? Why do they kill more people by percentage than every other racial group? Why do they lead every misery index category in the nation including in states with extraordinarily low percentage of total population like Alaska?
    I'd want to see what happens to these numbers if we control for poverty rates, that is, if we compare a poor black to a poor white and a wealthy black to a wealthy white. I have a very hard time believing that if you compare black medical doctors in America to white medical doctors, you will find a higher crime rate among the black doctors. I know personally and closely at least four black doctors I can think of, and I don't think any of them is any more likely to commit a crime, be unemployed, or have unwed pregnant daughters than their white counterparts. Take for instance black kids adopted by wealthy white families - I doubt they'd have a higher school dropout rate than their white counterparts, except in cases where they might have suffered some sort of pre-adoption damage such as malnourishment early in life affecting brain development - which wouldn't be due to their skin color but rather to parental poverty.

    I believe that the vast majority of the above stats is driven by poverty and other social ills rather than the amount of pigment in someone's skin. I certainly don't think that having that pigment in itself and independently of socioeconomic barriers makes someone more prone to criminal behavior. Melanin in the skin, that I know, doesn't go into certain brain cells and cause people to turn into raging criminal beasts.

    So, while I see the good intentions in your post, I'd address the problem, if possible, without focusing on race. I'd hope for investors, educators, society in general, etc., to offer good jobs, good role modeling, good opportunities, good health care, good nutrition, good education to the POOR in America independently of race rather than to the black in America. When you focus on the recipient's race, you are in a sense implying that his/her race is what is causing the problem, and not the disadvantaged socioeconomic issues.

    See, you are prescribing a socioeconomic solution (investors, etc.) so you need to acknowledge that the problem you are identifying is a socioeconomic one, not a skin color one. If the skin color were the determinant factor (I mean, if due to some crazy, inexistent biology that would only be believable in a sci-fi film, the melanin in someone's skin were the causal factor for the criminal behavior), no monetary investment would change that - by throwing money and good jobs upon that person you'd only produce a higher level criminal.

    Tissue compatibility studies have shown that the human species doesn't actually possess races in the biological sense, since sometimes when you're white and you need a kidney transplant, your black neighbor might be a better donor than your white co-worker. It's been shown that the amount of melanin in one's skin is a minor cosmetic evolutionary trait linked to the origins of the human species in climates rich in sun rays, which is literally only skin deep and much less important in terms of biological identity than other markers such as tissue subtypes.

    Thinking that being black *in itself* independently of all the other socioeconomic factors is what makes someone prone to criminal behavior is a severely misguided and ignorant idea. If we as a society started by recognizing such a basic scientific fact, maybe we'd seek the real solutions to the real socioeconomic problems instead of focusing on race all the time.

    Given that our society doesn't seem to place a big value on scientific evidence (see for example the politically charged panic around Ebola which is a non-airborne virus that has a really hard time spreading in a country that possesses a decent public health system and decent isolation capacities and has killed virtually ZERO Americans while the flu generates no politically charged panic and kills 30,000 Americans every single year), I'm not holding my breath that the simple scientific facts I referred to will have any impact on this conversation, but one can only hope.
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    Re: Police: Officer in Missouri shot, Killed man who Pulled Gun..... [W:22]

    Quote Originally Posted by Phys251 View Post
    I love you too. <3
    Good morning.

    Have you ever noticed using forums like these, that when you get under someone's skin or irritate them, they don't debate, they just attack you for your opinions, resort to calling others racists and bigots, then say they don't give a **** what you think? Ironic, ain't it? Me thinks those are the real R & B's. and I ain't talkin' 'bout rhythm and blues either.

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    Re: Police: Officer in Missouri shot, Killed man who Pulled Gun..... [W:22]

    Quote Originally Posted by AJiveMan View Post
    Good morning.

    Have you ever noticed using forums like these, that when you get under someone's skin or irritate them, they don't debate, they just attack you for your opinions, resort to calling others racists and bigots, then say they don't give a **** what you think? Ironic, ain't it? Me thinks those are the real R & B's. and I ain't talkin' 'bout rhythm and blues either.
    Insult people? You didnt actually bother to read the thread or follow the conversation before Phys251 jumped in...did you?

    On the other hand, its funny knowing that I am apparently in your head. Tho for what...I cant bother to remember.

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