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    Re: Police: Officer in Missouri shot, Killed man who Pulled Gun..... [W:22]

    Quote Originally Posted by Libertie76 View Post
    "The sad part, is that the people that make these arguments aren't the least bit embarrassed to do so."
    who are u referring to in this statement
    To whom ever the shoe fits.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Police: Officer in Missouri shot, Killed man who Pulled Gun..... [W:22]

    Quote Originally Posted by Libertie76 View Post
    Wow your reaching for the sky to try and attempt to discredit me, however yes being a racist is a conscious thought process, however having policies unintentionally creating systematic racism is a result if a failed policy. Please quote me saying it was intended to hold the black community down
    You just said it again.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Police: Officer in Missouri shot, Killed man who Pulled Gun..... [W:22]

    Quote Originally Posted by Napoleon View Post
    We arrive at the heart of the argument at last. The counter argument is very simple and you should spend some time contemplating it. People don't get to claim that racist machinations are denying them equal opportunity just because they've squandered it. Equal opportunity means that a person can reasonably expect the same or similar rewards for making wise choices but it also means that you have to take your lumps like everyone else when you make bad ones.
    Yes equal opportunity means a person can expect certain rewards or certain cons due to choices, however your ignoring the fact that these policies are restricting communities to actually be able to take these opportunities. Idk what you mean by squandered it, I'm saying the data shows black people are effected the worse from the drug war black people are effected the worse with income mobility and this is because of the policies failing them.

    Do you believe that a black person in south central l.a. Has the exact same social opportunity as a upper middle class white guy from the Los Angeles valley?
    If so then why do we see a majority of blacks not succeeding?

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    Re: Police: Officer in Missouri shot, Killed man who Pulled Gun..... [W:22]

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    You just said it again.
    For someone who is "very conservative" that is attempting to argue against cases of free market economics is very laughable

    Do you believe that social welfare programs and that an unconstitutional war on drugs is a good thing?

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    Re: Police: Officer in Missouri shot, Killed man who Pulled Gun..... [W:22]

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Blacls are murdered by other blacks wasaay more disproportionately than that. Where's the outrage?
    Where is the outrage of white on white crime? or hispanic on hispanic crime? or asian on asian crime?

    Crime is usually within the same race/ethnicity. Why is "black on black" labeled and not "white on white"?

    Here's a good article about that -
    About "Black on Black" Crime

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    Re: Police: Officer in Missouri shot, Killed man who Pulled Gun..... [W:22]

    Quote Originally Posted by Libertie76 View Post
    Yes equal opportunity means a person can expect certain rewards or certain cons due to choices, however your ignoring the fact that these policies are restricting communities to actually be able to take these opportunities.
    If you accept that definition of equal opportunity and the key role of personal responsibility in taking advantage of those opportunities then how can you blame the policy itself for the willful choice of individuals to violate it? We cannot legalize a criminal activity which you have acknowledged to be harmful both to the individual person and the community just because some people choose to engage in it at higher rates than others.

    Quote Originally Posted by Libertie76 View Post
    Idk what you mean by squandered it, I'm saying the data shows black people are effected the worse from the drug war black people are effected the worse with income mobility and this is because of the policies failing them.
    The policy is not failing them; they are failing themselves.

    Quote Originally Posted by Libertie76 View Post
    Do you believe that a black person in south central l.a. Has the exact same social opportunity as a upper middle class white guy from the Los Angeles valley?
    If so then why do we see a majority of blacks not succeeding?
    That depends, is that black person also upper middle class? One of the important things about equal opportunity as it relates to race is that it can only guarantee equal opportunity if all factors other than race are also equal. Even if it were a lower class white guy vs. an upper middle class white guy, the upper middle class white guy is more likely to succeed, but if the only significant variable is race then, yes, I would say the black person has the same opportunity. Is the black person statistically less likely to take advantage of that opportunity? Yes, but the black person has absolutely no one to blame but his/herself for that and it is not indicative of systematic racism.
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    Re: Police: Officer in Missouri shot, Killed man who Pulled Gun..... [W:22]

    Quote Originally Posted by paddymcdougall View Post
    Where is the outrage of white on white crime? or hispanic on hispanic crime? or asian on asian crime?
    Just google.

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    Re: Police: Officer in Missouri shot, Killed man who Pulled Gun..... [W:22]

    Quote Originally Posted by Napoleon View Post
    If you accept that definition of equal opportunity and the key role of personal responsibility in taking advantage of those opportunities then how can you blame the policy itself for the willful choice of individuals to violate it? We cannot legalize a criminal activity which you have acknowledged to be harmful both to the individual person and the community just because some people choose to engage in it at higher rates than others.



    The policy is not failing them; they are failing themselves.



    That depends, is that black person also upper middle class? One of the important things about equal opportunity as it relates to race is that it can only guarantee equal opportunity if all factors other than race are also equal. Even if it were a lower class white guy vs. an upper middle class white guy, the upper middle class white guy is more likely to succeed, but if the only significant variable is race then, yes, I would say the black person has the same opportunity. Is the black person statistically less likely to take advantage of that opportunity? Yes, but the black person has absolutely no one to blame but his/herself for that and it is not indicative of systematic racism.
    1. If your referring to drugs, like I said it is not constitutionally illegal. For the alcohol prohibition we required a constitutional amendment,for the war on drugs we required a presidential action.

    2. The policies of welfare as aid and reparation to the black community has yes failed them

    3. I'm saying this is a systematic racism, not the willing doings of "the man" I'm not referring to white supremacy being the running factor of u.s. Law and policy, but I am saying that these initial policies have created a systematic racism causing it harder for blacks to succeed.

    Yes it is true whites in low income areas have it harder then whites in middle class areas, again because of the policies, and some will argue low income whites have it even harder. Why? Because the policies separate people based on race, such as things like affirmative action. but the biggest issue you're failing to realize is that the black community is so overwhelmingly reliant on governmental aid, the programs of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac subsidize suburban growth and not urban growth, there is seriously so many factors that really destroy the ability for a majority of the black community to actual go through any legitimate income mobility. Now do I think these policies have intended a systematic racism? No. Do I think cops are targeting blacks because they are black? Most of the time no. Do I think federal economic policy has divided people with racial divisions? Yes. Do I think it's statistically much harder for a black person to succeed in today's society then a white person? Yes. Is that because every white guy won't hire black people? No. Is that because a majority of black people belong to direct governmental aid, lack of development in their communities, lack of education, and the prohibition of something that everyone uses I believe so. You haven't argued against any of it you just say "it's not racist" you should broaden your terms on what I'm actually advocating for

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    Re: Police: Officer in Missouri shot, Killed man who Pulled Gun..... [W:22]

    Quote Originally Posted by paddymcdougall View Post
    Where is the outrage of white on white crime? or hispanic on hispanic crime? or asian on asian crime?

    Crime is usually within the same race/ethnicity. Why is "black on black" labeled and not "white on white"?

    Here's a good article about that -
    About "Black on Black" Crime
    White folks aren't in the street burning **** down screaming about how whites are being targeted by cops.

    Now, where's the hand wringing over 3 hundred black folks that will be assaulted, or murdered this weekend?
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Police: Officer in Missouri shot, Killed man who Pulled Gun..... [W:22]

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    I think people find it a little fishy that when cops are involved, there's virtually never enough evidence to go to trial.
    Think about what you just said.

    If we're training cops correctly and if cops are using lethal force only when it truly is appropriate, then of course there would be few cases where there was evidence to go to trial.

    You should maybe take your conspiracy theory that grand jury after grand jury after grand jury are acting out of systemic racism instead of the fact that cops are using lethal force when it's actually appropriate.
    Last edited by Jerry; 12-27-14 at 12:48 AM.

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