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    Re: Police: Officer in Missouri shot, Killed man who Pulled Gun..... [W:22]

    Quote Originally Posted by Roadvirus View Post
    Too bad the destruction/theft of property and disturbing the peace overshadowed the reason.
    I wouldn't argue that the riots detract form the point.
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    Re: Police: Officer in Missouri shot, Killed man who Pulled Gun..... [W:22]

    Quote Originally Posted by whysoserious View Post
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    I agree with that, though I don't think there is a question that we have a problem with law enforcement.

    Regarding the community - I think that's a big key to fixing this country. It's a huge elephant in the room that no one talks about, because if you talk about it one way you're racist, and if you talk about it the other way you're a race baiter. It's a problem that I would leave to sociologists for the most part, because they have the ability to see the bigger picture and the historical knowledge to understand it. However, I think it has to address a few issues:

    1) The continued segregation
    2) Continued racial tensions
    3) Unequal education opportunities
    4) Residual effects of Jim Crow

    It's crazy for me to realize I was born 2 decades after it was illegal for blacks and whites to share a water fountain in my town. And I think it's even crazier to think that just because that generation is aging now, we should have all moved on. Clearly people haven't moved on, and unless we have these types of conversations, racism will have just moved from out in the public to in back rooms, and problems with violence will continue to be blamed on "black thugs" or "corrupt cops".
    You can't address an allegedly institutional problem that isn't real and I've discovered that you can't discuss those things with people around here who perceive them to be true. In my experience, they always try to force you to accept the faulty premise that those (1, 3, and 4) are real-world and institutional issues rather than self-imposed problems.
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    Re: Police: Officer in Missouri shot, Killed man who Pulled Gun..... [W:22]

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Indeed it is tragic.
    Yeah.

    Oh sorry about that.....I forgot about the dripping sarcasm smilie.
    Wow, dude, WTF.

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    You're not familiar with section 5 districts? If not, you should be and if you choose not to inform yourself, that's your problem.
    Knock it off. You're in no position to lecture me. Read this and get back to me.
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    Re: Police: Officer in Missouri shot, Killed man who Pulled Gun..... [W:22]

    Quote Originally Posted by Napoleon View Post
    You can't address an allegedly institutional problem that isn't real and I've discovered that you can't discuss those things with people around here who perceive them to be true. In my experience, they always try to force you to accept the faulty premise that those (1, 3, and 4) are real-world and institutional issues rather than self-imposed problems.
    So you believe these are all self-imposed or did I read that wrong?
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    Re: Police: Officer in Missouri shot, Killed man who Pulled Gun..... [W:22]

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    We cant move forward, let alone 'move on' if we arent willing to address the problems. If the dialogue consists of "white people bad" then that will be as effective and productive as "black people bad".
    Ah yes, the old "We can criticize you, but you can't criticize us" defensiveness.

    I agree completely there are changes and I completely understand the conflict and struggles most inner city black communities face. I've said that for several years here...there are real problems and they should be addressed.
    Please tell me right now that you are a black person who was brought up in poverty. Because if not, the highlighted phrase is one of the most ignorant comments I have ever seen on this website. Seriously, whatever credibility you had on the subject of race just vaporized.
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    Re: Police: Officer in Missouri shot, Killed man who Pulled Gun..... [W:22]

    Quote Originally Posted by whysoserious View Post
    I just don't see the logical step in either case to be shooting the person before they can explain themselves (though I was not aware that Crawford had pointed the toy gun at people).
    so you want the police to wait and see if they actually fire the gun at them first?

    it isnt enough that someone is brandishing a weapon?

    you do realize when people point weapons at other people, usually the intent is to shoot them.....right?
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    Re: Police: Officer in Missouri shot, Killed man who Pulled Gun..... [W:22]

    Quote Originally Posted by whysoserious View Post
    So you believe these are all self-imposed or did I read that wrong?
    Either self-imposed or non-existent, yes.
    Last edited by Napoleon; 12-26-14 at 06:08 PM.

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    Re: Police: Officer in Missouri shot, Killed man who Pulled Gun..... [W:22]

    Quote Originally Posted by gdgyva View Post
    so you want the police to wait and see if they actually fire the gun at them first?

    it isnt enough that someone is brandishing a weapon?

    you do realize when people point weapons at other people, usually the intent is to shoot them.....right?
    Wouldn't you assess the situation first? For instance, in the case of Rice who was standing in the open: how about take cover and use the loud speaker? It was conveyed that he probably had a toy gun.
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    Re: Police: Officer in Missouri shot, Killed man who Pulled Gun..... [W:22]

    Quote Originally Posted by paddymcdougall View Post
    Lots of people go to trial without going thru the grand jury process. And most people who go through the GJ process DO go to trial. Unless they're cops.
    Yes, thats why Officer Wilson was no billed.

    He was a Cop.....

    I wonder if you people truly understand just how dangerous your level of naivete and gullibility is to the rest of Society.

    Its bad enough you get to vote, but whats worse is some of the clap trap and false narratives you people hold on to have already led to the murder of two innocent Human beings.

    The only way Stupid people continue to have this kind of impact on our Society is due to their overwhelming numbers.

    Its like Common sense and reason and the value of truth and integrity is being bred out of the American people.

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    Re: Police: Officer in Missouri shot, Killed man who Pulled Gun..... [W:22]

    Quote Originally Posted by Phys251 View Post
    Ah yes, the old "We can criticize you, but you can't criticize us" defensiveness.



    Please tell me right now that you are a black person who was brought up in poverty. Because if not, the highlighted phrase is one of the most ignorant comments I have ever seen on this website. Seriously, whatever credibility you had on the subject of race just vaporized.
    How you can get to "We can criticize you, but you can't criticize us" from If the dialogue consists of "white people bad" then that will be as effective and productive as "black people bad" is beyond me.

    Boy, you dont know **** about me or where I was raised, how I was raised or what circumstances I grew up in and around. But that chip on your shoulder is certainly indicative of who and what you are. Run along now. We are having an actual conversation.

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