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    Re: Police: Officer in Missouri shot, Killed man who Pulled Gun..... [W:22]

    Quote Originally Posted by Phys251 View Post
    Read section 5 of the Civil Rights Act of 1964, paying close attention to the majority minority districts.

    You think Charlie Rangel could have still gotten elected if Harlem wasn't 90% black and poor?
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Police: Officer in Missouri shot, Killed man who Pulled Gun..... [W:22]

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Read section 5 of the Civil Rights Act of 1964, paying close attention to the majority minority districts.

    You think Charlie Rangel could have still gotten elected if Harlem wasn't 90% black and poor?
    Most posts I have seen from you in the past are wildly off-base. Why should I assume that you've suddenly turned the corner?
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    Re: Police: Officer in Missouri shot, Killed man who Pulled Gun.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Phys251 View Post
    So sad. From every report I've heard so far, the suspect did indeed draw a gun on the officer. If that's true, then the officer was almost certainly legally justified in shooting the suspect. Doesn't make this latest tragedy any less tragic, though.



    You deduced that simply by looking at this picture? Wow, that is some spectacular power of induction right there!

    Indeed it is tragic.

    Oh sorry about that.....I forgot about the dripping sarcasm smilie.

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    Re: Police: Officer in Missouri shot, Killed man who Pulled Gun..... [W:22]

    Quote Originally Posted by Phys251 View Post
    Most posts I have seen from you in the past are wildly off-base. Why should I assume that you've suddenly turned the corner?
    You're not familiar with section 5 districts? If not, you should be and if you choose not to inform yourself, that's your problem.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Police: Officer in Missouri shot, Killed man who Pulled Gun.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Declan View Post
    Is it less sane than firing smoke grenades into a crowd of protestors because it surely calms them down?
    ... It doesn't take a rocket scientist to know that putting fire near giant dispensers of gasoline in protest of police is less sane than putting smoke in the middle of a group of people to get them to dispurse.

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    Re: Police: Officer in Missouri shot, Killed man who Pulled Gun..... [W:22]

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    A trial, with no probable cause? Just through his rights on out the window. Right?

    And, let's say they violated Wilson's rights and charged him with a crime, send him before a petite jury and he's aquitted...then what? I'll yell you what, the hands-up-a-tards would be raising hell about that, too.
    Lots of people go to trial without going thru the grand jury process. And most people who go through the GJ process DO go to trial. Unless they're cops.

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    Re: Police: Officer in Missouri shot, Killed man who Pulled Gun..... [W:22]

    Quote Originally Posted by paddymcdougall View Post
    Lots of people go to trial without going thru the grand jury process. And most people who go through the GJ process DO go to trial. Unless they're cops.
    When there's obvious probable cause and evidence.

    The Rodney King cops went before a petite jury, weren't convicted and L.A. went ape ****.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Police: Officer in Missouri shot, Killed man who Pulled Gun..... [W:22]

    Quote Originally Posted by whysoserious View Post
    Thank you for the thought-out reply.(Shortened due to post limitations) It shows that this is an institutional problem - not a case-by-case "the officer is racist" problem.
    Not to pick at nits...but you listed those five cases. Why? I mean...the reality is that people die in violent confrontations with cops. Black people. White people. I recently posted the NYC Police shooting instances for 2011 and that very clearly shows that blacks are 3rd on the list of people that were killed in violent confrontations with cops.
    "In NYC 2011, 515 people were victims of homicide. 62% were black 319 dead black people). Of the known murderers of those black people, 83% were black.
    Conversely, there a grand total of 40 people killed by law enforcement officers in NYC. 44% of those shot were white. 33% of those shot were Hispanic. 22% (9 people) were black. 67% of the black people shot had first fired on the cops."
    http://www.nyc.gov/html/nypd/downloa...der_in_nyc.pdf
    http://www.nyc.gov/html/nypd/downloa...eport_2011.pdf

    So if the topic is police brutality or police overreaction...why is it always about 'black'? ANd if its because 'black lives matter', why is it only about 'police brutality' taking the lives of black people, not blacks taking the lives of black people?

    To me...that is why the race issue in this country is played out and why frankly...I dont give a ****. I think I'm like a large number of people. I work too hard and just dont have the time to care about the color of a persons skin. For anything. If cops shoot someone for running around pointing even a toy gun at people, unless that toy gun is obviously a clown gun...then I will allow a few seconds of sadness for the family of the stupid person carrying the toy gun and I will allow sadness for the cop who's life has been forever altered by the decisions of the stupid person carrying the toy gun, but at the end of the day...dont carry a toy gun and point it at people, especially a cop, and you are probably going to be fine...I dont care what race you are.

    Same goes for thugs of all race, gender, or religious denomination. I dont care. I just dont. Mike Brown is dead because he was stupid. I know we disagree, but Eric Garner is dead because he was stupid. Tamir Rice is dead because he was stupid. John Crawford is dead because he was stupid.

    Levar Jones was shot because the cop was stupid. That should carry a civil consequence at least and quite possibly a criminal charge.

    In all of those instances...I dont see race. I dont see racism. I dont see racist cops. And I only see one instance where the shooting was not justified. If there is an 'institutional problem' then it should be viewed, but again...at the same time you are viewing the institution of policing, you have to view the facts regarding the black population and the statistics involving violent criminal activity. Cops are more likely to intervene with black people. Black people are more likely to commit violent criminal activity. It kinda goes hand in hand.

    We have a preponderance of people bitching about police activity (and far too many of them crying racism). We are sadly lacking in people calling for positive change both for and within the black community.

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    Re: Police: Officer in Missouri shot, Killed man who Pulled Gun..... [W:22]

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Not to pick at nits...but you listed those five cases. Why? I mean...the reality is that people die in violent confrontations with cops. Black people. White people. I recently posted the NYC Police shooting instances for 2011 and that very clearly shows that blacks are 3rd on the list of people that were killed in violent confrontations with cops.
    "In NYC 2011, 515 people were victims of homicide. 62% were black 319 dead black people). Of the known murderers of those black people, 83% were black.
    Conversely, there a grand total of 40 people killed by law enforcement officers in NYC. 44% of those shot were white. 33% of those shot were Hispanic. 22% (9 people) were black. 67% of the black people shot had first fired on the cops."
    http://www.nyc.gov/html/nypd/downloa...der_in_nyc.pdf
    http://www.nyc.gov/html/nypd/downloa...eport_2011.pdf

    So if the topic is police brutality or police overreaction...why is it always about 'black'? ANd if its because 'black lives matter', why is it only about 'police brutality' taking the lives of black people, not blacks taking the lives of black people?

    To me...that is why the race issue in this country is played out and why frankly...I dont give a ****. I think I'm like a large number of people. I work too hard and just dont have the time to care about the color of a persons skin. For anything. If cops shoot someone for running around pointing even a toy gun at people, unless that toy gun is obviously a clown gun...then I will allow a few seconds of sadness for the family of the stupid person carrying the toy gun and I will allow sadness for the cop who's life has been forever altered by the decisions of the stupid person carrying the toy gun, but at the end of the day...dont carry a toy gun and point it at people, especially a cop, and you are probably going to be fine...I dont care what race you are.

    Same goes for thugs of all race, gender, or religious denomination. I dont care. I just dont. Mike Brown is dead because he was stupid. I know we disagree, but Eric Garner is dead because he was stupid. Tamir Rice is dead because he was stupid. John Crawford is dead because he was stupid.

    Levar Jones was shot because the cop was stupid. That should carry a civil consequence at least and quite possibly a criminal charge.

    In all of those instances...I dont see race. I dont see racism. I dont see racist cops. And I only see one instance where the shooting was not justified. If there is an 'institutional problem' then it should be viewed, but again...at the same time you are viewing the institution of policing, you have to view the facts regarding the black population and the statistics involving violent criminal activity. Cops are more likely to intervene with black people. Black people are more likely to commit violent criminal activity. It kinda goes hand in hand.

    We have a preponderance of people bitching about police activity (and far too many of them crying racism). We are sadly lacking in people calling for positive change both for and within the black community.
    Statistics does not erase the pain felt by those who knew the victims.

    Stupidity on the part of the victim is not a just reason that we should excuse the actions of those who killed them.

    It is also very offensive to the people who still value their memories of the dead
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    Re: Police: Officer in Missouri shot, Killed man who Pulled Gun..... [W:22]

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    Statistics does not erase the pain felt by those who knew the victims.

    Stupidity on the part of the victim is not a just reason that we should excuse the actions of those who killed them.

    It is also very offensive to the people who still value their memories of the dead
    I allow sadness for the families of the fallen. Stupidity often brings dire results to ones self and causes loved ones pain. Advocate for if not an end, at least a reduction in stupid behaviors and you are less likely to have to grieve for the family members of stupid people.

    Just tryin to help.

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