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    Re: Police: Officer in Missouri shot, Killed man who Pulled Gun.....

    Quote Originally Posted by donsutherland1 View Post
    I agree. Almost certainly, the video will be closely analyzed and blown up in resolution, with an effort to determine whether or not the individual had, in fact, raised a gun. Things seem or appear to suggest such a conclusion based on the early information, but an investigation will be needed and it will be undertaken. Nothing has been verified at this point in time.
    What's really going to happen, is the hands up-a-tards are going to latch on to the mother's version of events, in which she claims her son was running away.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Police: Officer in Missouri shot, Killed man who Pulled Gun..... [W:22]

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Another shooting of a young black man in Missouri, that had pulled a gun on the Officer. Couple miles away from Ferguson. The Officer did what he had to.....and deadly force was used. Immediately a band of protestors gather on the scene. Right away taunting the police and blaming them for killing another black man. It didn't matter the young black man pulled a gun. What say ye?







    BERKELEY, Missouri (AP) A suburban St. Louis police officer shot and killed a man who pointed a gun at him at a gas station late Tuesday, police said.

    A crowd of about 100 people were gathered early Wednesday at the scene in Berkeley, Missouri, a few miles from Ferguson, where a white police officer fatally shot black 18-year-old Michael Brown in August. The protesters gathered early Wednesday milled around the gas pumps at the station, some taunting and yelling at police officers.

    Some had strands of yellow police-line tape draped around their neck, with others using it as a headband. Authorities from multiple agencies, some in riot gear, stood among the protesters.....snip~

    Police: Officer in Missouri shot, killed man who pulled gun
    Facts dont matter to these thugs and protestors. Forensic evidence, witness testimony, video-those used to mean something-but not if it goes against the false narrative that White cops roam around shooting black people at will.

    This video stops just before the moment of the shooting.

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    Re: Police: Officer in Missouri shot, Killed man who Pulled Gun.....

    Quote Originally Posted by whysoserious View Post
    I don't think you could find one person who studies law that thinks "just answer the officers" questions is a good idea.
    You have to admit that there is a difference in answering questions when you are the focus and when it has nothing to do with you.

    If a police officer asks you "How are you doing?" it is probably safe to answer him.

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    Re: Police: Officer in Missouri shot, Killed man who Pulled Gun.....

    Quote Originally Posted by matchlight View Post
    It sounds like you were the subject of what's technically called an investigatory detention, or less formally a "Terry stop." These are "seizures" under the Fourth Amendment, which the Supreme Court has applied to the states. What local police do, for constitutional purposes, is action by the state where they are working. These stops raise the issue, then, whether they are "unreasonable" seizures and therefore unconstitutional. Police need only a "reasonable suspicion" of criminal activity to make them, which is a less demanding standard than the "probable cause" they need to arrest a person. The Supreme Court has held that whether the suspicion is reasonable is based on "the totality of the circumstances."

    These stops have to be pretty brief, or they turn into arrests, for which--at least when first made--there was not the required probable cause. I say when first made, because during the Terry stop, the detained person may act in ways that increase the original reasonable suspicion to probable cause. Acting belligerent about being briefly questioned or asked for ID, for example, is a great way to turn an investigatory detention into an arrest. So you were smart to realize the cop had no way of knowing when he arrived what you might be up to, and not to get defensive. The neighbor's call gave him the reasonable suspicion he needed, and the fact you were on your own property didn't make any difference.

    I noticed a couple other things about the facts you related. An investigatory detention is on shaky legal ground if it goes on longer than a few minutes. The twenty minutes you describe is way too long, and anyone in that situation would have a right to excuse himself and end the conversation. If a reasonable person would not feel free to leave the situation, it means he is under arrest. Also, the cop's questions about your dogs' names and the year of your car suggest that even if he did go on too long, his training was otherwise pretty good. Those are friendly, conversational questions that tend not to provoke a hostile response. They're also just the kind of questions that someone who belonged there could answer with no hesitation, but that are likely to make someone who didn't pause, even if only for a moment, to come up with an answer.
    My question with this whole thing is why the neighbor didn't know it was him at his own house, unshaven or not.

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    Re: Police: Officer in Missouri shot, Killed man who Pulled Gun.....

    Quote Originally Posted by americanwoman View Post
    It was kind of hard for me to see, it was pretty grainy but it does appear to be the teen pointing a gun.
    It was grainy and difficult, but yes it looked like that. Unfortunately, the clip ended immediately. Should have had a longer clip to show what happened in the immediate aftermath.

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    Re: Police: Officer in Missouri shot, Killed man who Pulled Gun.....

    Quote Originally Posted by GreatNews2night View Post
    I was hoping someone here at DP would have some fresh info or photos to post. Apparently not. What I've been seeing in other boards is this:
    I gave the most recent information available right before going to bed. I wake up and you're saying that wasn't good enough for you. Sorry for sleeping, damn. I don't see you linking to new information, just bitching that others haven't.

    Quote Originally Posted by GreatNews2night View Post
    7. Apparently the only gun that fired shots was the officer's.
    So it's not enough that teens aren't allowed to possess handguns in the first place, and let's forget that this handgun had it's serial number filed off, which is another felony. Apparently now you're saying the cop wasn't justified in shooting because he didn't wait for the teen to fire first.

    Quote Originally Posted by GreatNews2night View Post
    Maybe it was temporarily removed for expert examination and investigation then put back.....
    That's actually illegal. The picture has to be taken before the item is moved, otherwise any evidence relying on where the gun was found gets tossed out.

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    Re: Police: Officer in Missouri shot, Killed man who Pulled Gun.....

    Quote Originally Posted by GreatNews2night View Post
    Doesn't anybody have anything to say about post #66? I was hoping for more updated information that would support hypothesis A or B. I was hoping that here on DP people would have some sort of better info; in the Ukraine crisis threads often people from that area had compelling info/videos/pictures showing stuff that the regular media had yet not reported. This thread is discussing the general issues - race, police brutality, guns, etc. - but I haven't seen posts that have info or evidence that sheds more light on what happened.

    Should I try to post another thread to ask these questions? I thought this thread was the right place to raise these points but apparently nobody is interested in debating the basic facts in this incident but are rather going into other more general directions.
    Or sleeping. Some of us are night crawlers, you know.

    My advice to you: Whine less, debate more. Thanks.

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    Re: Police: Officer in Missouri shot, Killed man who Pulled Gun..... [W:22]

    Quote Originally Posted by GreatNews2night View Post
    True, and true. The main issue in this case, though, is whether or not the teen pointed a gun at the cop. I don't think this point has been clearly established yet, given some strange circumstances I detailed earlier. If the the teen did point a gun at the officer, case closed. If he didn't, then all hell breaks loose, as we'd be facing a major cover-up happening in the middle of an already explosive situation.

    One thing that would help, I think, is that police leaders re-train officers to have body cameras and dashboard cameras on at all times, and that this footage be immediately and transparently available in any doubtful case. Trust and accountability must be restored from all sides, otherwise we are all as a society headed into a lot of trouble (which has started already, like the crazy guy who shot and killed two officers in New York City).

    Me, while I wouldn't endorse for a second any case of unjustified police brutality, I'd also want my home and family and city to be protected by police.

    The police serve society in a very essential job (and a difficult, honorable, and dangerous and even heroic one); on the other hand, we do need our police officers to be highly trained, responsible (as in, using the right level of force required by the circumstances), and accountable if they stray (with non-malicious human error being taken into account as attenuating circumstance, but malicious and deliberate misuse of force or cover-ups being severely punished). We need our citizens to be equally law-abiding, respectful of officers when the police are doing their job appropriately, and accountable for things like violent protests and looting. We need our criminals to be caught, prosecuted, and killed when justified (as in self-defense when they are trying to kill an officer). In summary, we need a state of law where all parties behave within it.

    Unfortunately as a society we seem to be currently far from the ideal I've just stated.
    Why should footage be immediately available to the public? If you shoot someone you have 72 hours to make a report. That's time to get a lawyer, review all the footage for yourself and prepare your story. The public has no need to do this, we're just bystanders, our ass isn't on the line.

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    Re: Police: Officer in Missouri shot, Killed man who Pulled Gun.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Roadvirus View Post


    You support a bunch of idiots clogging up traffic and causing disturbances in shopping malls, which interferes with the lives of hard-working individuals?
    Seriously, if a traffic jam and shopping mall disturbances interfere with your life all that much and you don't have bigger problems, count yourself one of the lucky ones.

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