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    Re: Police: Officer in Missouri shot, Killed man who Pulled Gun.....

    Quote Originally Posted by ThePlayDrive View Post
    The fact that we are talking about it right now means that their goal of bringing awareness is a success. The fact that the protests have been covered by international media further confirms that they have been successful as raising awareness.


    I have no doubt that that's how they look to some. That's not how they look to me though. Unless you can convince me that I should swap my perspective for yours, your perspective doesn't influence mine.

    What about all of the ones who didn't ask for a "free pass" on their grades? What about all of the ministers, rabbis and other religious leaders who have held protests after their services? What about all of the lawyers and med students and other workers (including congressional staffers) who have held protests? What about the athletes who have held demonstrates before or during their games while they are working? I guess those don't count. I guess you just ignore those people because it doesn't fit in with your narrative.


    Cops who shoot people are not the only problem.


    The "Black community" certain has intra-community issues to address. It doesn't make racists like you and the trigger-happy cops who shoot them any less of a problem, though.
    They created awareness for all the wrong reasons.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Police: Officer in Missouri shot, Killed man who Pulled Gun.....

    Quote Originally Posted by ThePlayDrive View Post
    The "Black community" certain has intra-community issues to address. It doesn't make racists like you and the trigger-happy cops who shoot them any less of a problem, though.
    The point is that they are focusing on the wrong issues. In 3 out 4 cases, since and including the Michael Brown case, those people wouldn't have even had any interaction with the police had they chosen to do more law-abiding and productive things than engaging in criminal activity. THAT is the issue.

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    Re: Police: Officer in Missouri shot, Killed man who Pulled Gun.....

    Quote Originally Posted by RDS View Post
    Get the body camera implemented. That will shed more light.
    No it won't, considering the police dept. will control the recordings.

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    Re: Police: Officer in Missouri shot, Killed man who Pulled Gun.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Napoleon View Post
    The point is that they are focusing on the wrong issues. In 3 out 4 cases, since and including the Michael Brown case, those people wouldn't have even had any interaction with the police had they chosen to do more law-abiding and productive things than engaging in criminal activity. THAT is the issue.
    I think that the Black people protesting are more than capable of determining which issues are "right" for them to focus on. I don't think you or anyone else has the authority to tell them that they are focusing on the "wrong" thing. It's not your decision to make.

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    Re: Police: Officer in Missouri shot, Killed man who Pulled Gun.....

    Quote Originally Posted by ThePlayDrive View Post
    I think that the Black people protesting are more than capable of determining which issues are "right" for them to focus on. I don't think you or anyone else has the authority to tell them that they are focusing on the "wrong" thing. It's not your decision to make.
    I do think I have the "authority" to tell them they are focusing on the wrong thing and they are clearly not as capable as you seem to think they are. There is a prevalent lack of critical thinking and reasoning skills in the way they portray these events and if they continue to behave in the way highlighted by the article in the OP then they should be dealt with accordingly.

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    Re: Police: Officer in Missouri shot, Killed man who Pulled Gun.....

    Quote Originally Posted by ThePlayDrive View Post
    I think that the Black people protesting are more than capable of determining which issues are "right" for them to focus on. I don't think you or anyone else has the authority to tell them that they are focusing on the "wrong" thing. It's not your decision to make.
    Its looks to me that there's a serious atmosphere of poor judgement among the protestors.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Police: Officer in Missouri shot, Killed man who Pulled Gun.....

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    It's not an excuse for anything. It would be ludicrous to protest blacks or Christians for the acts of individuals because they're not responsible for those individuals. The police department is responsible for its individuals.

    It's stupid to confuse race and religion with occupation.
    Its far more stupid to make ignorant and bigoted comments. Protesting 'the cops' is an ignorant and bigoted position for anyone to take. Supporting that position is equally ignorant and bigoted.

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    Re: Police: Officer in Missouri shot, Killed man who Pulled Gun.....

    Quote Originally Posted by ThePlayDrive View Post
    I agree. Almost certainly, the video will be closely analyzed and blown up in resolution, with an effort to determine whether or not the individual had, in fact, raised a gun. Things seem or appear to suggest such a conclusion based on the early information, but an investigation will be needed and it will be undertaken. Nothing has been verified at this point in time.

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    Re: Police: Officer in Missouri shot, Killed man who Pulled Gun.....

    Quote Originally Posted by ThePlayDrive View Post
    I support protests against the excessive use of force against anyone. Don't you?
    What makes you think that excessive force was used in this case? It is not wise to finish second in a gun fight.
    “The reasonable man adapts himself to the world: the unreasonable one persists to adapt the world to himself.
    Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man.” ― George Bernard Shaw, Man and Superman

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    Re: Police: Officer in Missouri shot, Killed man who Pulled Gun.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    What I see with Garner's death was overzealousness on the part of the cops. There was no need to let it get that far, and especially no need to use a chokehold. He didn't die of a heart attack - he died because he was choked to death. Yes, if he was able to say "I can't breathe", then he was able to breathe at that time...but after that, he was choked to death by a cop who honestly thought that he (the cop) was doing the right thing. The cop wasn't trying to kill him - of course not! But there was absolutely no need to use a chokehold to subdue a guy for a non-violent penny-ante crime.

    It's the same thing in many, perhaps most police brutality cases - the majority of the time, the police are trying to do what they honestly believe to be the right thing, but take it too far - and this isn't a problem with individual cops, but with the leadership of the police force as a whole. When the atmosphere - the "corporate intertia", to put it another way - allows or encourages cops to take things too far, to not think of the use of force as something that should be the LAST resort, then this is what happens.
    No...he did not. Thats a foolish position to even take. He didnt die because he was choked to death. Point of fact he NEVER stopped breathing and in fact DID die of a coronary attack. He died because he decided it was a good idea to resist arrest and his actions resulted in being taken to the ground. He died because he was morbidly obese and couldnt handle the exertion.

    He wasnt just able to say "I cant breathe". He said it 11 times. You know what you HAVE to be able to do to say "I cant breathe"? Have the capacity to breathe.

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