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    Re: Police: Officer in Missouri shot, Killed man who Pulled Gun.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Fearandloathing View Post
    What evidence do you have that they are lying?

    What evidence do you have that they are lying?

    To automatically distrust an account is paranoia and I doubt that is helpful here and now.

    Perhaps people need to stay calm and quit automatically accusing everyone else.

    No ****ing wonder the streets are burning. Nobody trusts anyone anymore.

    What a ****ed up way to live.
    You're the only one out of the two of us who brought up lying. I just said that I'm not going to accept what they said without question. If you consider caution to be paranoia, then I guess I'll have to live with that analysis. As far as remaining calm, I agree. As the saying goes, "cooler heads prevail". I only wish you would take that advice yourself given your melodramatic statements that "the streets are burning" and "nobody trusts anyone anymore".

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    Re: Police: Officer in Missouri shot, Killed man who Pulled Gun.....

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Every death involving a second individual is a 'homicide'. A homicide ruling by a coroner is not a criminal judgement, nor does it imply guilt, fault, blame. They have 5 categories to choose from. The coroners ruling of homicide means less than nothing. If you and I are wrestling and you have a massive heart attack and die because you are morbidly obese and shouldnt have been wrestling in the first place it is still ruled a homicide. As for Brown...do you acknowledge the forensic evidence and witness accounts offer that Brown was ore at least could have been the aggressor? If so...you are back to a real poor case to take a stand on.

    So lets work on actual cases and punish people actually guilty rather than condemning an entire profession because of the perceived acts of a minority.
    What I see with Garner's death was overzealousness on the part of the cops. There was no need to let it get that far, and especially no need to use a chokehold. He didn't die of a heart attack - he died because he was choked to death. Yes, if he was able to say "I can't breathe", then he was able to breathe at that time...but after that, he was choked to death by a cop who honestly thought that he (the cop) was doing the right thing. The cop wasn't trying to kill him - of course not! But there was absolutely no need to use a chokehold to subdue a guy for a non-violent penny-ante crime.

    It's the same thing in many, perhaps most police brutality cases - the majority of the time, the police are trying to do what they honestly believe to be the right thing, but take it too far - and this isn't a problem with individual cops, but with the leadership of the police force as a whole. When the atmosphere - the "corporate intertia", to put it another way - allows or encourages cops to take things too far, to not think of the use of force as something that should be the LAST resort, then this is what happens.
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    Re: Police: Officer in Missouri shot, Killed man who Pulled Gun.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    What I see with Garner's death was overzealousness on the part of the cops. There was no need to let it get that far, and especially no need to use a chokehold. He didn't die of a heart attack - he died because he was choked to death. Yes, if he was able to say "I can't breathe", then he was able to breathe at that time...but after that, he was choked to death by a cop who honestly thought that he (the cop) was doing the right thing. The cop wasn't trying to kill him - of course not! But there was absolutely no need to use a chokehold to subdue a guy for a non-violent penny-ante crime.

    It's the same thing in many, perhaps most police brutality cases - the majority of the time, the police are trying to do what they honestly believe to be the right thing, but take it too far - and this isn't a problem with individual cops, but with the leadership of the police force as a whole. When the atmosphere - the "corporate intertia", to put it another way - allows or encourages cops to take things too far, to not think of the use of force as something that should be the LAST resort, then this is what happens.
    You must have seen a different video than me. The cop applied the choke hold for less than 2 seconds and then when on the ground kept pushing his head into the ground, which I found excessive. He defiantly was never choked to death in the video I saw.

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    Re: Police: Officer in Missouri shot, Killed man who Pulled Gun.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Truckstop View Post
    You must have seen a different video than me. The cop applied the choke hold for less than 2 seconds and then when on the ground kept pushing his head into the ground, which I found excessive. He defiantly was never choked to death in the video I saw.
    Okay, maybe I'm wrong on that - but the cops were still overzealous, which I believe is a leadership problem.
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    Re: Police: Officer in Missouri shot, Killed man who Pulled Gun.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    Okay, maybe I'm wrong on that - but the cops were still overzealous, which I believe is a leadership problem.
    Agreed.

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    Re: Police: Officer in Missouri shot, Killed man who Pulled Gun.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Truckstop View Post
    Yes, asking questions and expecting answers is excessive force.
    You're the only person who said that it was.

    I don't care if you ask either of those questions, but if you just clam up and are not going to answer then he has not choice but to escalate the situation and take you in. His job is to figure out what is going on, why he was called here or what you are up to, he gets paid for that.
    Actually, the police do have a choice. Police officers do not have to, nor do they always, "take a person in" who refuses to answer questions. If they did that, then the jails would be even more over capacity than they are now with every witness and criminal who refused to talk to police.

    I really liked the classy part about stay out of our country at the end also.
    He can come to my country, just not permanently.

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    Re: Police: Officer in Missouri shot, Killed man who Pulled Gun.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Declan View Post
    Which Judge investigated the Ferguson decision? Get real. Judges don't hear cases that are never brought. Baaaaaah.
    Not every case involves a judge directly. Do you think it should be that way? How ludicrous.

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    Re: Police: Officer in Missouri shot, Killed man who Pulled Gun.....

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    That's the weakest excuse for practiced bigotry I've ever seen.
    It's not an excuse for anything. It would be ludicrous to protest blacks or Christians for the acts of individuals because they're not responsible for those individuals. The police department is responsible for its individuals.

    It's stupid to confuse race and religion with occupation.

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    Re: Police: Officer in Missouri shot, Killed man who Pulled Gun.....

    Quote Originally Posted by ThePlayDrive View Post
    1. The police said he pulled a gun. If they police are telling the truth, then it was permissible to shoot him. I'm not inclined to just accept what the police say just because they said it.
    I think there was a survelliance video of the incident.

    3. I support these protests wholeheartedly and while I can understand why some people would "taunt" officers (built up anger and frustration), it bothers me. I don't think that that is the way to express one's frustration.
    You support a bunch of idiots clogging up traffic and causing disturbances in shopping malls, which interferes with the lives of hard-working individuals?

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    Re: Police: Officer in Missouri shot, Killed man who Pulled Gun.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    According to your link the protesters threw fireworks at the police. That's what we see in the video.
    Tossing fireworks at a gas station? Yep...good idea!
    You can tell that the kind of protesters there aren't exactly Einsteins.

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