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    Re: Police: Officer in Missouri shot, Killed man who Pulled Gun.....

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    While I respect your perspective here, I believe you're 100% wrong in your approach. The advice given by "whysoserious" was to never, ever, answer questions from a police officer. Always refuse to answer and ask for a lawyer. And that advice, in my humble view, is utterly asinine, even if your little brother is a lawyer with a lot of free time.
    I never said that. I said that the advice to "just answer police questions" was bad advice, because you should use your own discretion on when to answer and when to use your state-given right to remain silent.
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    Re: Police: Officer in Missouri shot, Killed man who Pulled Gun.....

    Quote Originally Posted by whysoserious View Post
    If you want to be so free, you're free to move somewhere else that doesn't have these laws. Or you're free to vote for anarchists that will never be elected ever.

    I don't care.
    Just answer these questions.

    Do you like the prospect of dealing with the police?
    Do you like the fact they can rob you of your life?
    Do you like the fact they threaten people with prison?
    Do you like the fact that the government basically considers a great deal of your human rights null and void in prison?

    If the answer to all of those question is no then frankly I don't understand you.

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    Re: Police: Officer in Missouri shot, Killed man who Pulled Gun.....

    Quote Originally Posted by whysoserious View Post
    How is asking for a lawyer and being silent, both ****ing rights in this country, being disrespectful?
    Context is everything - you were adamant, 100%, never say a word, just ask for a lawyer.

    That's great advice in this case because the guy was carrying a gun, registration unknown, concealed probably without a permit, and thus a criminal as he stood there living and breathing. Who knows - perhaps if he'd simply answered the officer's questions, he could be on DP today bitching about police brutality instead of getting prettified for the funeral.
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    Re: Police: Officer in Missouri shot, Killed man who Pulled Gun.....

    Quote Originally Posted by whysoserious View Post
    I haven't been to jail very often, but I don't think it's as dangerous as you are making it out to be. Prison is dangerous - jail is a temporary holding place. I don't think many people die or get harmed in jail.

    I wouldn't want to be there, but I don't think it's quite the hell you are making it out to be.
    People get physically harmed in jail all the time.

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    Re: Police: Officer in Missouri shot, Killed man who Pulled Gun.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Just answer these questions.

    Do you like the prospect of dealing with the police?
    Do you like the fact they can rob you of your life?
    Do you like the fact they threaten people with prison?
    Do you like the fact that the government basically considers a great deal of your human rights null and void in prison?

    If the answer to all of those question is no then frankly I don't understand you.
    1) Generally no.
    2) No
    3) No
    4) No

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    People get physically harmed in jail all the time.
    Perhaps. I'd rather take my chances in jail than fighting a guy with numerous weapons on him and back up around the corner.
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    Re: Police: Officer in Missouri shot, Killed man who Pulled Gun.....

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    Context is everything - you were adamant, 100%, never say a word, just ask for a lawyer.

    That's great advice in this case because the guy was carrying a gun, registration unknown, concealed probably without a permit, and thus a criminal as he stood there living and breathing. Who knows - perhaps if he'd simply answered the officer's questions, he could be on DP today bitching about police brutality instead of getting prettified for the funeral.
    I literally never said that. I said to use your own discretion at answering questions, and ask for a lawyer and remain silent if you aren't comfortable answering.

    In the case you are talking about, there were no questions because he allegedly drew a firearm and aimed it at a police officer. He failed at step 1.
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    Re: Police: Officer in Missouri shot, Killed man who Pulled Gun.....

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    If there were more irrational people, people spoiling for a fight, in America as your post seems to condone, I'd likely stay in Canada.
    The fact that you think asking police officers questions is "irrational" and "spoiling" for a fight demonstrates that you have a dangerously authoritarian concept of police work. Since the vast majority of Americans I know do not hold the same view, I suggest that you stay in Canada.

    I know, however, that the vast majority of people in America, at least the ones I've encountered, no matter their race or ethnicity, have been good, honest, open and welcoming people and a pleasure to be around. I will say, anecdotally, that several black Americans have complimented me at times on my manners and politeness when in conversation with them - this includes a host of service industry staff.

    Perhaps it's not this Canadian who's the problem but the giant chips on some people's shoulders.
    I'm glad you enjoyed your stay and that you met enough Black people here to use them to your benefit.

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    Re: Police: Officer in Missouri shot, Killed man who Pulled Gun.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    People get physically harmed in jail all the time.
    Not on overnight holds.

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    Re: Police: Officer in Missouri shot, Killed man who Pulled Gun.....

    Quote Originally Posted by whysoserious View Post
    1) Generally no.
    2) No
    3) No
    4) No
    Then in my eyes you make no goddamn sense.

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    Re: Police: Officer in Missouri shot, Killed man who Pulled Gun.....

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    And you might lose your ass, too, along with being charged with obstruction. Good luck with your attitude...you'll need it.
    Ok, well I'm not seeing any extreme attitude in whysoserious. The truth is that it isn't always the best idea to talk to the police. He's also saying not to be a dick, don't resist, if the arrest is bad, deal with it in civil court. That's actually all pretty reasonable.

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