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Translation: Ukraine must obey Russia
That is not a translation, that is a gross distortion made for political purposes.
Translation: Ukraine must obey Russia
No one claimed that. However that doesn't give Russia the right to invade another country.
No Putin is trying to rebuild the soviet empire and annex lands from neighboring countries.
That is Putin wanting everything his way or threatening and actually invading when he doesn't get what he wants.
Never said the USA had the right to intervene in another countries foreign policy. So you can drop that failed strawman.
If Ukraine wants to Join NATO, it is their NATO's decision. NOT the USA's decision nor does it mean the USA is interfering with their foreign policy. Now if the USA said join NATO or we will invade (you know, the diplomatic tactics Putin is using) That would be interfering.
Why is it not fine? It is their decision not Putin's.
That is what Russia needs
You mean that Russia is a big threat to it? I think they might have properly grasped that perspective.
I think, as long as the relationship with Russia is so unstable, it might be smarter to have a friendship agreement with Ukraine instead. In this friendship agreement we can guarantee several things like protection during an invasion, military aid and the right of Ukrainian soldiers to train with Nato forces etc. etc. without them being actual members of Nato.
And there can not be nuclear missiles in Ukraine, a country with such a level of instability is not a country that should be given nuclear weapons IMHO. Nuclear proliferation should be avoided IMHO.
You can look at the glass as half empty or half full. You could say Russia is a threat to Ukraine, you could say the US is a threat to Ukraine. It depends on how you look at it. You could say Ukraine is between a rock and a hard place.
Except it is not the US that has invaded Ukraine.
Except it is not the US that has invaded Ukraine.
That is correct. However, the US can be viewed as a threat to Ukraine. Like I say, it depends on how you look at it.
I suppose, given our military power, the US could be viewed as a threat to anyone. The current threat to the Ukraine, however, is Russia.
Honestly I can't disagree with you because in my opinion what you have said is correct. But the US can be viewed as a threat to Ukraine as well. Not everyone in Ukraine wants to move closer to Europe and away from Russia. That is the problem.
No, they don't.
So, why not let them decide? Have a referendum: Go with Russia, go with NATO, or go their own way.
Maybe one day we'll figure out how to settle issues that way. Meanwhile, the economic war currently being waged against Russia is at least a major step ahead of the shooting wars of the past.
Or, the predicate cause of a shooting war in our near future....
That's a pretty remote possibility.
Chilling, but remote.
I hope it is as remote as you imagine.
You can look at the glass as half empty or half full. You could say Russia is a threat to Ukraine, you could say the US is a threat to Ukraine. It depends on how you look at it. You could say Ukraine is between a rock and a hard place.
I think that what is going on in eastern Ukraine makes it too unstable to give any type of military guarantee. But I agree on the nuclear stuff.
Not my fault if you read stuff into my posts that aren't there.No but what you did do is frame the issue such that if Putin gets some of what he wants, it means that the US, NATO, and Ukraine are weak. And that is foolish way of viewing the situation.
I'm sure the Crimea and eastern Ukraine are just misunderstandings.That is simply not true. Putin is not trying to rebuild the soviet empire nor annex lands from neighboring countries. What he was trying to do is form a Eurasian Economic Union that would rival the economic power of the US and the EU. That is for certain. But that is very different from rebuilding the Soviet Union. That is a fairy tale that has been created for political purposes. As far as annexing land goes, what happened in Crimea was predictable because it is well known it's history, that is was given to Ukraine by Russia, and that it is a vital security interest of Russia.
I agree he doesn't expect to get everything just as much as he can by threat or force.That is another political statement that is in no way reflected in reality. Putin knows well he cannot get everything that he wants because he is in a weak position relative to the US. He is merely doing his best to play a weak hand. Putin knows that, and Obama knows this as well.
So Putin is excused because others do it. BTW when was the last time the USA annexed part of another country?Whether you said it or not, the US does indeed intervene in the foreign policy of other countries. Russia does it as well. That is is way the world has worked for quite some time, regardless of whether there is a right to do it or not.
If Ukraine wants to join NATO and NATO accepts that decision will likely have very grave consequences for everyone on this planet. To see how this is so, let's suppose that NATO decided it needed to put nuclear missiles aimed at Russia in Ukraine. Let's suppose that Russia said we will not permit it and will do everything in our power, including using our nuclear arsenal to prevent it. What would the US do then? That is the danger.
I have said why it is not fine elsewhere in the thread.
That is true. It is also what the US and the rest of the world needs as well.
It is.
The Russians have no death wish, nor do we.
Luckily for us, the truly insane enemies, the ones who do have a death wish (ISIS, Al Qaeda, the Taliban) don't have the same level of power as the Russians do.
At the end of the day this is about destroying Russia's attempts at forming it's Eurasian Union.
You forgot N Korea. they're pretty nuts as well.