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    Re: Outraging Russia, Ukraine takes big step toward NATO

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    That is true. It is also what the US and the rest of the world needs as well.
    On that I will agree with you however Putin and his aggressive expansionistic policies are pretty much the largest threat to world peace that exist ATM.
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    Re: Outraging Russia, Ukraine takes big step toward NATO

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    It is.
    The Russians have no death wish, nor do we.

    Luckily for us, the truly insane enemies, the ones who do have a death wish (ISIS, Al Qaeda, the Taliban) don't have the same level of power as the Russians do.
    You forgot N Korea. they're pretty nuts as well.
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    Re: Outraging Russia, Ukraine takes big step toward NATO

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    At the end of the day this is about destroying Russia's attempts at forming it's Eurasian Union.
    Hopefully so.

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    Re: Outraging Russia, Ukraine takes big step toward NATO

    Putin has become mostly a laughing stock, although an extremely RICH clown with $40,000,000,000.00.

    When Putin started hinting that he's so unstable me might go to nuclear war is when no leaders took him seriously anymore, just another wacked out nut case world leader going nowhere.

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    Re: Outraging Russia, Ukraine takes big step toward NATO

    Quote Originally Posted by Quag View Post
    You forgot N Korea. they're pretty nuts as well.
    They are indeed, and they like to play with nukes.
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    Re: Outraging Russia, Ukraine takes big step toward NATO

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    It will be interesting to see the effect this will have on the situation in eastern Ukraine. I suspect the Russians will become more aggressive there as a result. Of course it will mean Russians will play very hard ball with respect to energy supplies and Ukrainian exports to Russia. Here we go. Will Victoria Nuland go down in history as having instigated the events that led to a nuclear conflict between the US and Russia?

    Outraging Russia, Ukraine takes big step toward NATO
    I can't tell if Putin is forcing you to post this, or if you're just trolling us. I think it's adorable you think it's wrong that Ukraine do what Ukraine wants without Russian say. It's called "Freedom". Right now, Putin is violating that freedom. The entire world knows it....

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    Re: Outraging Russia, Ukraine takes big step toward NATO

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    No, they don't.
    Sorry, you are wrong. There is a substantial number of people in eastern Ukraine, Crimea, and elsewhere in Ukraine who identify themselves as being Russian and who those prefer to be more closely connected to Russia than Europe. That is what quite of bit of the fighting is about in eastern Ukraine.

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    Re: Outraging Russia, Ukraine takes big step toward NATO

    Quote Originally Posted by joG View Post
    Actually, it was Title 2, Article 7 of the "trade treaty" with the EU that started this thing going. It is wrong to allege that the US was the provocateur here. Unless you have a hidden agenda, anyway.
    I disagree with you. Although the US does not bear the sole responsibility, it does bear a substantial portion of the blame for the situation that currently exists in Ukraine. There is no hidden agenda. I am stating openly what I believe to be the truth.

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    Re: Outraging Russia, Ukraine takes big step toward NATO

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter King View Post
    Just think of Svoboda party in Ukraine. They are the kind of people who think that before the revolution, Ukraine was run by the Muscovite Jewish mafia. The deputy leader of that party described Ukrainian born Mila Kunis as a "dirty jewess". In Svoboda's eyes gays are perverts and according to this party it would be unthinkable to send a black person to the Eurovision song contest for Ukraine because they would not want European viewers to get the impression that Ukraine is somewhere besides Uganda

    With that being one of the important parties of Ukraine, nuclear weapons are a definite no no IMHO.

    And I have just reconsidered even sending troops to the Ukraine. Because let us not forget that Ukraine is the home of the Azov battalion. A paramilitary force of extreme right wing origin that reports Ministry of Internal affairs in the Ukraine. They use a frigging Wolfsangel as a symbol (a symbol that was used by the Nazi's during the Hitler period and also very popular with neo-nazi's). A German news program showed that one of the volunteers of this Azov battalion had a nazi swastika on his helmet.

    I do not think that Ukraine is a potential EU or Nato member until they are a decent democracy with respect for all human rights.
    There are indeed troubling elements that have influence in Ukrainian politics. That type of sentiment appears to run deep in Ukraine as was witnessed by the leaked phone call of Tymoshenko and a Ukrainian parliament member in which she appears to advocate violence against ethnic Russians in Ukraine. Very troubling indeed.

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    Re: Outraging Russia, Ukraine takes big step toward NATO

    Quote Originally Posted by Quag View Post
    Not my fault if you read stuff into my posts that aren't there.
    Well forgive me if I put words in your mouth, but it appeared that you wanted to put forward the notion that Putin's disapproval of what goes on in Ukraine is something that should be lightly brushed aside by the US.

    Quote Originally Posted by Quag View Post
    I agree he doesn't expect to get everything just as much as he can by threat or force.
    Although he does use threat and force, he also uses legitimate diplomatic and political means to achieve his ends. And again, that is something that not only Putin does, but the US as well.

    Quote Originally Posted by Quag View Post
    So Putin is excused because others do it.
    Did I say that? I am merely pointing out the reality that both Russia and the US interfere in the foreign policy of other nations.

    Quote Originally Posted by Quag View Post
    BTW when was the last time the USA annexed part of another country?
    BTW, when was the last time there was an attempt to have either Mexico or Canada to join a military alliance that was formed to contain the US?

    Quote Originally Posted by Quag View Post
    Who is talking about nukes in Ukraine? Does Estonia have NATO nukes pointed at Russia? Does Romania? Lithuania? Latvia? etc. etc...
    Joining NATO does not mean nukes on Russia's front door pointed at them. Heck the USA is trying to reduce its nuclear arsenal not expand it.
    Joining NATO COULD mean that nukes could be indeed placed on Russia's front door.

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