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    Re: Outraging Russia, Ukraine takes big step toward NATO

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    Ukraine should decide it's own foreign policy, so should Russia and so should the US. However, all of us will have to live with the consequences of those decisions, good or bad. Obama, Hillary, Nuland and that neocon crowd at the Heritage Foundation have decided to take the US down this very dangerous path. We will see where it leads.
    Why is it a dangerous path?
    Because Putin doesn't approve? If that is the case then you really don't think Ukraine has the right to decide it's own future and that Putin has the right to interfere in another countries foreign policy.
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    Re: Outraging Russia, Ukraine takes big step toward NATO

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    Russia isn't doing so well in the economic war over Ukraine. I suspect they will find a way to get out of there while claiming victory pretty soon.
    I suspect they will protect their front yard....at all costs.

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    Re: Outraging Russia, Ukraine takes big step toward NATO

    Quote Originally Posted by Henry David View Post
    I suspect they will protect their front yard....at all costs.
    If their "front yard" means the Ukraine, then it only needs protection from the Russians.
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    Re: Outraging Russia, Ukraine takes big step toward NATO

    By "Offer" what do you folks mean when you say Ukraine has little to "offer" NATO?

    Strategic protection agreements to counter Russian aggression is the whole point of NATO. If we reject Ukraine because we fear Russian retaliation then just fold up NATO and go home, it would be as feckless as the rest of our foreign policy these days.

    It seems odd to keep casting Putin as a leader who does not want conflict and then turning chicken**** every time a diplomatic decision might annoy Putin. Screw the little troll and his tin pot dictatorship.
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    Re: Outraging Russia, Ukraine takes big step toward NATO

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    If their "front yard" means the Ukraine, then it only needs protection from the Russians.
    That depends upon one's perspective, doesn't it?

    For us, Ukraine is a country or region on the other side of the globe.

    For Russia, Ukraine is their front yard or back yard, depending.

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    Re: Outraging Russia, Ukraine takes big step toward NATO

    Quote Originally Posted by Henry David View Post
    That depends upon one's perspective, doesn't it?

    For us, Ukraine is a country or region on the other side of the globe.

    For Russia, Ukraine is their front yard or back yard, depending.
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    Re: Outraging Russia, Ukraine takes big step toward NATO

    If Russia doesn't like this...well guess what? Too f-ing bad. if Ukraine wants to join NATO, that's their right.
    Putin can complain all he wants, but in the end, he can take that complaint and shove it up his anal cavity.

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    Re: Outraging Russia, Ukraine takes big step toward NATO

    Quote Originally Posted by Henry David View Post
    That depends upon one's perspective, doesn't it?

    For us, Ukraine is a country or region on the other side of the globe.

    For Russia, Ukraine is their front yard or back yard, depending.
    Yes, it is.

    It still is an independent and sovereign nation, at least for now.
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    Re: Outraging Russia, Ukraine takes big step toward NATO

    Quote Originally Posted by DA60 View Post
    Russia did not 'invade' the Donetsk region.
    The Russian paratroopers captured in Ukraine is but one example. I suggest you peruse the pertinent Ukraine threads in the Europe forum.

    Quote Originally Posted by DA60 View Post
    The Donetsk region held a referendum which was overwhelmingly for leaving the Ukraine and joining Russia.
    The 4 November 2014 illegal rebel referendum violated the Minsk Agreement (signed by the rebels) and has not been been recognized any nation including Russia.

    All nations, including Russia, have recognized the national Ukrainian elections held on 26 October 2014.

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    But if America can bomb countries at will then I don't see why Russia cannot defend a region that voted to join up with it.
    This is not about American actions. Stay on-topic please.

    Quote Originally Posted by DA60 View Post
    This whole embargo nonsense for Russia's actions in the Donetsk region and the Crimea (again, which overwhelmingly voted to leave Ukraine and join Russia) is hypocritical of America.
    33 nations have imposed sanctions and 100 UN nations resolved not to recognize Russia's illegal annexation of Crimea.


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    Re: Outraging Russia, Ukraine takes big step toward NATO

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    It will be interesting to see the effect this will have on the situation in eastern Ukraine. I suspect the Russians will become more aggressive there as a result. Of course it will mean Russians will play very hard ball with respect to energy supplies and Ukrainian exports to Russia. Here we go. Will Victoria Nuland go down in history as having instigated the events that led to a nuclear conflict between the US and Russia?

    Outraging Russia, Ukraine takes big step toward NATO
    If they want to vote that way fine, but I do not think they are in any position in the next decade or so to become member of Nato. They are not politically stable, have individuals of highly dubious character in positions of power and the country is in an internal civil war/conflict. All of these things make them a country that is not nato worthy.
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