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    Re: A felon serve in Congress? Michael Grimm will test House

    Quote Originally Posted by Middleground View Post
    Correct me if I am wrong... but didn't he just get re-elected? If so, it begs the question as to why idiots would vote for such a criminal.
    Same way de Blasio was elected? The opposing candidate was far worse?
    I'm just guessing here about Grimm.
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    Re: A felon serve in Congress? Michael Grimm will test House

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    This matter is completely bipartisan, they're all crooks. No one wants to open the can of worms that holds politicians accountable to the law.
    We do it here on a pretty regular basis. Our RCMP and our provincial police here in Ontario have several active investigations and files open and a number of court cases in process involving corrupt politicians, Senators, and political operatives.

    It could be cultural, in the US as opposed to Canada. But I'm more inclined to believe that it has a lot to do with the infusion of politics in the American criminal justice system. When judges and prosecutors and attorneys general are either elected through party affiliation or appointed by party leaders, they tend to be beholden to some degree to those who politically support them.
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    Re: A felon serve in Congress? Michael Grimm will test House

    Quote Originally Posted by Middleground View Post
    Correct me if I am wrong... but didn't he just get re-elected? If so, it begs the question as to why idiots would vote for such a criminal.
    If I'm not mistaken, the fine folks in New Orleans reelected Congressman Jefferson while he was under federal indictment on bribery/corruption charges - he of the famous $10,000 in his Washington DC apartment freezer.

    When the American public, the American media, American pundits, particularly on the left decided that a politician shouldn't be held accountable for conduct in his/her personal life when they elected Bill Clinton, a multiple time accused rapist and then reelected him after his White House escapades with Monica Lewinsky, America basically set the bar sky high for what is acceptable for personal conduct with politicians. As a result, unless an American politician is carted off to jail, they feel entitled to hold onto their seat until voted out, and often, as noted above, the American voter condones such bad behaviour by voting the criminals back in.
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    Re: A felon serve in Congress? Michael Grimm will test House

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    We do it here on a pretty regular basis. Our RCMP and our provincial police here in Ontario have several active investigations and files open and a number of court cases in process involving corrupt politicians, Senators, and political operatives.

    It could be cultural, in the US as opposed to Canada. But I'm more inclined to believe that it has a lot to do with the infusion of politics in the American criminal justice system. When judges and prosecutors and attorneys general are either elected through party affiliation or appointed by party leaders, they tend to be beholden to some degree to those who politically support them.
    It is pretty much all entangled. And because the Republocrats have stopped political competition, it's stagnating. The system is becoming more and more a system for a limited aristocracy and one less and less of the People, for the People, by the People.
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    Re: A felon serve in Congress? Michael Grimm will test House

    Quote Originally Posted by Henry David View Post
    Are you suggesting he is the only criminal in Congress? In elected office anywhere?
    No, not at all. But he's one of the few that has been caught.
    No men are anywhere, and Im allowed to go in, because Im the owner of the pageant and therefore Im inspecting it, Trump said... Is everyone OK? You know, theyre standing there with no clothes. Is everybody OK? And you see these incredible looking women, and so I sort of get away with things like that.

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    Re: A felon serve in Congress? Michael Grimm will test House

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    We do it here on a pretty regular basis. Our RCMP and our provincial police here in Ontario have several active investigations and files open and a number of court cases in process involving corrupt politicians, Senators, and political operatives.

    It could be cultural, in the US as opposed to Canada. But I'm more inclined to believe that it has a lot to do with the infusion of politics in the American criminal justice system. When judges and prosecutors and attorneys general are either elected through party affiliation or appointed by party leaders, they tend to be beholden to some degree to those who politically support them.
    Agreed. And I do thing it's different here... there seems to be more accountability. The Duffy scandal would be a joke in the US, I think.
    No men are anywhere, and Im allowed to go in, because Im the owner of the pageant and therefore Im inspecting it, Trump said... Is everyone OK? You know, theyre standing there with no clothes. Is everybody OK? And you see these incredible looking women, and so I sort of get away with things like that.

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    Re: A felon serve in Congress? Michael Grimm will test House

    Quote Originally Posted by Middleground View Post
    Correct me if I am wrong... but didn't he just get re-elected? If so, it begs the question as to why idiots would vote for such a criminal.
    The list of criminals that have been elected, re-elected or remained in office after being found guilty of crimes is a mile long. It isn't beholden to one party or the other either. Charlie Rangel comes to mind right off the top of my head.
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    Re: A felon serve in Congress? Michael Grimm will test House

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    remind me, did you demand Cold Cash Jefferson step down too?
    Remember that old Cold Cash got re-elected TWICE after it was revealed that he was a crook. The absolute bottom of the barrel when it came to ethics and he got re-elected TWICE after being shown for what he really was. Jefferson is the epitome of what is wrong with American politics. People like him are why I keep hoping for a liberal version of the TP - a group that will challenge the status quo and be willing to primary the rotten apples within their own.
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    Re: A felon serve in Congress? Michael Grimm will test House

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    I hereby declare this thread the No Pun Zone!!!
    What will the punishment for a violation be??
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    Re: A felon serve in Congress? Michael Grimm will test House

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    I think most people would agree that congressmen that get busted with failing to pay their taxes and that commit other ethics violations should absolutely resign. That should be a given.
    The obvious way to handle that is for voters to vote thugs out of office. We know voters won't. In the end it doesn't matter to most voters (most people don't vote). They could not care less about criminal records. The People do have the power, they are just too lazy, ignorant, apathetic to use their votes to in essence govern themselves. We get the government we deserve.










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