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    Dontre Hamilton Shooting: No Charges for Fired Milwaukee Cop

    Dontre Hamilton Shooting: No Charges for Fired Milwaukee Cop - NBC News

    Milwaukee County Sheriff David A. Clarke requested National Guard support in anticipation of protests following the announcement. The request comes after protesters blocked traffic on Interstate 43 on Friday, leading to the arrest of 74 people.

    When the justice system fails, and all else fails, call in the bigger guns, the National Guard to back up the police departments whose police force uses excessive force, nice going.

    anney was fired by Milwaukee police Chief Edward Flynn in October, not because of his actions in the shooting but rather for failing to follow department rules in the moments leading up to the altercation, resulting in a struggle that left deadly force as the officer's only option.
    IMO, that's enough for an indictment right there.

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    Re: Dontre Hamilton Shooting: No Charges for Fired Milwaukee Cop

    Quote Originally Posted by AJiveMan View Post
    failing to follow department rules
    IMO, that's enough for an indictment right there.
    I am sure you do.

    Failing to follow department rules may be reason for termination.
    But it is not a reason to find the actions illegal and therefore cause an indictment.
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    Re: Dontre Hamilton Shooting: No Charges for Fired Milwaukee Cop

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    I am sure you do.

    Failing to follow department rules may be reason for termination.
    But it is not a reason to find the actions illegal and therefore cause an indictment.
    you are correct. its like the NY incident. Choke holds violate departmental policy but were not illegal

    a grand jury determines if there is probable cause to believe a crime was committed, not if the target violated company policies.



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    Re: Dontre Hamilton Shooting: No Charges for Fired Milwaukee Cop

    Only 13? Should have reloaded and dropped another mag in him.

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    Re: Dontre Hamilton Shooting: No Charges for Fired Milwaukee Cop

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    I am sure you do.

    Failing to follow department rules may be reason for termination.
    But it is not a reason to find the actions illegal and therefore cause an indictment.
    Manney was fired by Milwaukee police Chief Edward Flynn in October, not because of his actions in the shooting but rather for failing to follow department rules in the moments leading up to the altercation, resulting in a struggle that left deadly force as the officer's only option.
    Not following rules that left deadly force as his only option?

    Had he followed the rules the man probably wouldn't be dead now, correct?

    In other words the cop placed himself in the position where his only act of self-preservation was to use deadly force.

    Perks of the job.

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    Re: Dontre Hamilton Shooting: No Charges for Fired Milwaukee Cop

    Quote Originally Posted by AJiveMan View Post
    IMO, that's enough for an indictment right there.
    No, it's not.

    But it is a place to begin a discussion.

    It can be something like the felony murder rule.

    The felony murder rule says that when an offender kills accidentally or without specific intent to kill in the commission of a felony, the offender can be charged with murder.

    A similar rule could be applied to police officers.

    If a police officer kills consequent to a behavior or action that is forbidden by department rules or policy that officer must be charged with murder.

    Something like that.

    But absent such mandatory accountability you can't hold an officer accountable.
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    Re: Dontre Hamilton Shooting: No Charges for Fired Milwaukee Cop

    Quote Originally Posted by AJiveMan View Post
    Dontre Hamilton Shooting: No Charges for Fired Milwaukee Cop - NBC News




    When the justice system fails, and all else fails, call in the bigger guns, the National Guard to back up the police departments whose police force uses excessive force, nice going.



    IMO, that's enough for an indictment right there.
    Let's take that idea one step further and say that the officer was seen texting and driving, instead of opting to frisk a suspected (known?) "menatlly unstable" person, does that violation of police procedure (and civil law) make it OK to attack the officer?

    IMHO, once the officer is being brutally attacked (felony assualt) then that alone justifies the use of deadly force regardless of any procedural violation committed prior to that attack.

    The same is true of a private citizen; they may have been speeding, lost control of their car and damaged your fence but that does neither gives you the right to beat them nor does that nullify their right of self defense should you begin beating them.
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    Re: Dontre Hamilton Shooting: No Charges for Fired Milwaukee Cop

    Quote Originally Posted by soot View Post
    No, it's not.

    But it is a place to begin a discussion.

    It can be something like the felony murder rule.

    The felony murder rule says that when an offender kills accidentally or without specific intent to kill in the commission of a felony, the offender can be charged with murder.

    A similar rule could be applied to police officers.

    If a police officer kills consequent to a behavior or action that is forbidden by department rules or policy that officer must be charged with murder.

    Something like that.

    But absent such mandatory accountability you can't hold an officer accountable.
    The violation of police procedure was to frisk a "crazy" person, which is not a felony.
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    Re: Dontre Hamilton Shooting: No Charges for Fired Milwaukee Cop

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    The violation of police procedure was to frisk a "crazy" person, which is not a felony.
    I'm not saying that what the cop did was a felony.

    I'm using the felony murder rule as an example of an "if A, then B is automatic" legal principal.
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    Re: Dontre Hamilton Shooting: No Charges for Fired Milwaukee Cop

    Quote Originally Posted by Μολὼν λαβέ View Post
    Not following rules that left deadly force as his only option?

    Had he followed the rules the man probably wouldn't be dead now, correct?

    In other words the cop placed himself in the position where his only act of self-preservation was to use deadly force.

    Perks of the job.

    Dontre Hamilton Shooting: No Charges for Fired Milwaukee Cop - NBC News
    You really have no point.
    Dontre caused the situation which required the Officer to use deadly force.

    And if he is fighting his termination it is likely he will get his job back.
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