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Dontre Hamilton Shooting: No Charges for Fired Milwaukee Cop

VanceMack said:
To the OP...

This is taken from the article you cited...
Attorney John T. Chisholm said that former Milwaukee police officer Christopher Manney "was justified in firing at Dontre Hamilton" because Hamilton had taken Manney's baton while the officer was responding to a complaint about a man sleeping in a public park, and the Manney was attempting to "stop the threat."

In a statement, Chisholm said "the more difficult issue" is determining whether Manney — who shot Hamilton at least 13 times — fired more shots than he needed to in order to subdue Hamilton. But many witnesses testified that Manney stopped firing when Hamilton fell to the ground, prompting Chisholm to rule that the numerous shots were a "defensive action forced upon him by Dontre Hamilton's deadly attack with a police baton."

So...the question is...based on the article you provided...do you believe Dontre Hamilton took the officers baton? Simple question...right?
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I was taught at a young age by a wise old Gunny who had been a lot of places and done a lot of things that anyone worth shooting is worth shooting many times. :shrug:
 
cpwill said:
:) Actually that's a claim that is suspicious rather than funny, but not, I think, in the way you would prefer.
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You would not hear that from other media outlets, I watched and heard that on WTMJ last night when a journalist was interviewing the family's attorney, that Dontre Hamilton had club marks on his head. Why that's not been mentioned by MSM I don't know. But the scenario I painted in the earlier post is what the family's attorney alluded to or implied.
 
AJiveMan said:
By not being logged into DP and reading the forum. :doh
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Okay?
You still are not ignoring them.

But please feel free to ignore my reply. :mrgreen: :lamo
 
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Higgins86 said:
13 bullets??? Unless you think the guy is the terminator you dont need to fire 13 times...
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Says who?

You fire until the threat obviously ceases to be a threat.

In this incident, according to the witnesses even, he stopped firing when he fell. Which is when he was obviously no longer as threat.

The truth of the matter is that is the way cops are trained, and they are trained that way because often it takes more than several shots to make the person no longer be a threat.

The whole thing here is that the person is acting out violently against an Officer. That is on them. Not the cops for stopping them.
 
Excon said:
Says who?

You fire until the threat obviously ceases to be a threat.

In this incident, according to the witnesses even, he stopped firing when he fell. Which is when he was obviously no longer as threat.

The truth of the matter is that is the way cops are trained, and they are trained that way because often it takes more than several shots to make the person no longer be a threat.

The whole thing here is that the person is acting out violently against an Officer. That is on them. Not the cops for stopping them.
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Was he still running, crawling? How fast was he approaching the officer after the 5th bullet?
 
Higgins86 said:
Was he still running, crawling? How fast was he approaching the officer after the 5th bullet?
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That in no way refutes what I stated.
So again.

You fire until the threat obviously ceases to be a threat.

In this incident, according to the witnesses even, he stopped firing when he fell. Which is when he was obviously no longer as threat.

The truth of the matter is that is the way cops are trained, and they are trained that way because often it takes more than several shots to make the person no longer be a threat.

The whole thing here is that the person is acting out violently against an Officer. That is on them. Not the cops for stopping them.​

In this case that was 13 shots.
Sorry you don't like that, but that is what happens when you act out criminally and aggressively against people armed with guns. Not just cops.
 
Excon said:
That in no way refutes what I stated.
So again.

You fire until the threat obviously ceases to be a threat.

In this incident, according to the witnesses even, he stopped firing when he fell. Which is when he was obviously no longer as threat.

The truth of the matter is that is the way cops are trained, and they are trained that way because often it takes more than several shots to make the person no longer be a threat.

The whole thing here is that the person is acting out violently against an Officer. That is on them. Not the cops for stopping them.​

In this case that was 13 shots.
Sorry you don't like that, but that is what happens when you act out criminally and aggressively against people armed with guns. Not just cops.
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I mean I guess it's how you determine a threat. An unarmed man with several bullet wounds in my mind poses a very minimal threat, I have no issue with the officer firing to defend himself I just question if 13 was excessive force.
 
TurtleDude said:
you are correct. its like the NY incident. Choke holds violate departmental policy but were not illegal

a grand jury determines if there is probable cause to believe a crime was committed, not if the target violated company policies.
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damn it! hate it when i agree with turtledude; ESPECIALLY when it is about the possession/use of a firearm. but in this rare instance he is correct
 
AJiveMan said:
You would not hear that from other media outlets, I watched and heard that on WTMJ last night when a journalist was interviewing the family's attorney, that Dontre Hamilton had club marks on his head. Why that's not been mentioned by MSM I don't know. But the scenario I painted in the earlier post is what the family's attorney alluded to or implied.
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if true, that is troubling.

A cop beats someone on the head with a baton.
Said someone objects to said beating and removes said baton from said cop.
Said cop, miffed that his play time has been interrupted, 'perceives a threat' and shoots said someone multiple times.

:confused:
 
RogueWarrior said:
if true, that is troubling.

A cop beats someone on the head with a baton.
Said someone objects to said beating and removes said baton from said cop.
Said cop, miffed that his play time has been interrupted, 'perceives a threat' and shoots said someone multiple times.

:confused:
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Autopsy Report;
note the contusions and abrasions in the report,

also note how many projectiles were fired in a downward fashion:

Blunt force injuries

http://media.jrn.com/documents/hamiltonautopsy.pdf
 
Higgins86 said:
I mean I guess it's how you determine a threat. An unarmed man with several bullet wounds in my mind poses a very minimal threat, I have no issue with the officer firing to defend himself I just question if 13 was excessive force.
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Then you don't know what "excessive force" means in this context. Wounded animals are very dangerous.
 
Higgins86 said:
Was he still running, crawling? How fast was he approaching the officer after the 5th bullet?
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If he was doing the worm a 6th would be just fine.

But was he crawling? Or was it as the actual witnesses reported a right shoot because he still presented as a threat? I mean...I get that in spite of what you actually know there is this thing you WANT it to be...
 
clownboy said:
Then you don't know what "excessive force" means in this context. Wounded animals are very dangerous.
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There is wounded and then there is being shot 13 times. Just seems like the officer went into panic mode, also I would hope his department give him some Marksmanship lessons.
 
AJiveMan said:
Dontre Hamilton Shooting: No Charges for Fired Milwaukee Cop - NBC News




When the justice system fails, and all else fails, call in the bigger guns, the National Guard to back up the police departments whose police force uses excessive force, nice going.:roll:



IMO, that's enough for an indictment right there.
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Dontre was completely in the wrong. He should not have grabbed the officer's baton and then try to kill him with it.

Only the world's best warfighters and lawmen can drop a man with one or two shots while being attacked. 6 or 13 shots won't drop a raging bull instantly like Dontre or Michael Brown unless hit in the area of the lower brain or brainstem.
 
RogueWarrior said:
if true, that is troubling.

A cop beats someone on the head with a baton.
Said someone objects to said beating and removes said baton from said cop.
Said cop, miffed that his play time has been interrupted, 'perceives a threat' and shoots said someone multiple times.

:confused:
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At which time, the subject was no longer unarmed.
 
apdst said:
You know how adrenaline can takeover.
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Yeh I guess, still seems pretty crazy.

Now tell me this apdst from an outside perspective it would look liek that police shootings have increased in the US. In this the case or are the media just choosing to report them more because of recent events?
 
Higgins86 said:
Yeh I guess, still seems pretty crazy.

Now tell me this apdst from an outside perspective it would look liek that police shootings have increased in the US. In this the case or are the media just choosing to report them more because of recent events?
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They're certainly getting more attention.
 
Excon said:
You really have no point.
Dontre caused the situation which required the Officer to use deadly force.

And if he is fighting his termination it is likely he will get his job back.
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Yes, I really do have a valid point.

Apparently you overlooked this part that led to the killing:

failing to follow department rules in the moments leading up to the altercation, resulting in a struggle that left deadly force as the officer's only option.
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Μολὼν λαβέ;1064122127 said:
Yes, I really do have a valid point.

Apparently you overlooked this part that led to the killing:
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:naughty
No, you really don't as you were trying to conflate the issues.
They are separate and distinct from each other.
 
RogueWarrior said:
And why was he being beaten on the head with a baton?

some sort of cop alarm clock?

was the cop practicing for a garage band or something?
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At this point, that's irrelevant.
 
Higgins86 said:
There is wounded and then there is being shot 13 times. Just seems like the officer went into panic mode, also I would hope his department give him some Marksmanship lessons.
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You have no idea how law enforcement officers train with firearms...do you?
 
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