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    Re: Dontre Hamilton Shooting: No Charges for Fired Milwaukee Cop

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    That is in line with my point. Once adrenaline takes over, the textbook goes out the window.
    Police training 'textbook' means, you fire til the threat is eliminated and you dont trust the 1-2 shot, assess. If you read any of the testimony you will see the guy that was shot had a previous diagnosis of schizophrenia and 'didnt even blink' with the second shot. Emptying a magazine and conducting a tactical reload while assessing further danger is textbook.

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    Re: Dontre Hamilton Shooting: No Charges for Fired Milwaukee Cop

    Quote Originally Posted by RogueWarrior View Post
    Not even to defend himself from a possible cop-gone-wild? Does the badge give a cop immunity to beat anyone he wants for any reason he cares to invent?

    If a cop starts beating you with a baton for no reason you can ascertain, what would YOU do? hand him a bottle of lube?
    You are making an argument based on a post offering a theory by someone with an agenda and no actual knowledge of the event. That one post has you convinced that the poor victim was being beaten for no reason by cops and that caused him to grab the baton. NOne of the witness statements corroborate any such incident including the statement by a witness that was upset he was shot.

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    Re: Dontre Hamilton Shooting: No Charges for Fired Milwaukee Cop

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Police training 'textbook' means, you fire til the threat is eliminated and you dont trust the 1-2 shot, assess. If you read any of the testimony you will see the guy that was shot had a previous diagnosis of schizophrenia and 'didnt even blink' with the second shot. Emptying a magazine and conducting a tactical reload while assessing further danger is textbook.
    Two rounds to the cheat and one to the head and anybody is going down.
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Dontre Hamilton Shooting: No Charges for Fired Milwaukee Cop

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    You are making an argument based on a post offering a theory by someone with an agenda and no actual knowledge of the event. That one post has you convinced that the poor victim was being beaten for no reason by cops and that caused him to grab the baton. NOne of the witness statements corroborate any such incident including the statement by a witness that was upset he was shot.
    Not convinced of anything.
    Why are there baton marks on his head? Why did the cop decide that a baton beating was necessary?


    Wouldn't have been easier, though less fun, to just hand the guy the baton before shooting him 'because he was armed'?
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    Re: Dontre Hamilton Shooting: No Charges for Fired Milwaukee Cop

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Two rounds to the cheat and one to the head and anybody is going down.
    Great philosophy. Practiced on gun ranges against stationary paper targets all across the country.

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    Re: Dontre Hamilton Shooting: No Charges for Fired Milwaukee Cop

    Quote Originally Posted by RogueWarrior View Post
    Not convinced of anything.
    Why are there baton marks on his head? Why did the cop decide that a baton beating was necessary?


    Wouldn't have been easier, though less fun, to just hand the guy the baton before shooting him 'because he was armed'?
    There are not 'baton marks'. You have no idea what the marks and abrasions are that are on his head or how they got there. All you did was parroted a supposition and conjecture and poof...all of a sudden it became a fact to you.

    Witnesses observed no beating and we are talking about schizophrenic homeless guy with a history of stabbing himself in the neck. For all you know he fell down or rammed his head into a tree.

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    Re: Dontre Hamilton Shooting: No Charges for Fired Milwaukee Cop

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Great philosophy. Practiced on gun ranges against stationary paper targets all across the country.
    Which brings us back around to my comments to Higgens. Cops don't receive fire discipline instruction on the level of elite military units such SAS, SEALS, or The Rhodesian Light Infantry. The RLI troopers would go on a Fire Force operation with 100 rounds and running out of ammunition was a court martial offense.

    The anti-coppers expect that level of discipline and cool headedness and it just ain't going to happen,
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Dontre Hamilton Shooting: No Charges for Fired Milwaukee Cop

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Which brings us back around to my comments to Higgens. Cops don't receive fire discipline instruction on the level of elite military units such SAS, SEALS, or The Rhodesian Light Infantry. The RLI troopers would go on a Fire Force operation with 100 rounds and running out of ammunition was a court martial offense.

    The anti-coppers expect that level of discipline and cool headedness and it just ain't going to happen,
    Again...if you watch the video I posted from Ayoob, he points out that statistically, the cop that survives a shootout is the one that shoots til he's empty and then reloads. The FBI used to teach the standard double tap two to the chest, one to the dome. Great in theory...just not practice. Mind you...there was also a time when it was highly unlikely a cop would never need to clear leather with his firearm.

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    Re: Dontre Hamilton Shooting: No Charges for Fired Milwaukee Cop

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Again...if you watch the video I posted from Ayoob, he points out that statistically, the cop that survives a shootout is the one that shoots til he's empty and then reloads. The FBI used to teach the standard double tap two to the chest, one to the dome. Great in theory...just not practice. Mind you...there was also a time when it was highly unlikely a cop would never need to clear leather with his firearm.
    I understand what you're getting at and I'm saying the reason for that standard, is because cops don't receive the level of trading that would enable them to react differently in a shootout.
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Dontre Hamilton Shooting: No Charges for Fired Milwaukee Cop

    http://media.jrn.com/documents/hamiltonautopsy.pdf

    Note the manner of death by the Milwaukee County ME,

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