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    Re: Dontre Hamilton Shooting: No Charges for Fired Milwaukee Cop

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    I thought you had and I also believe you can understand how someone could get overtaken by adrenaline and over-react.
    No I dont doubt it and as I said I have no issue with the officer shooting. I just question the 13 shots fired and if it was really needed or he went into panic mode. Again though I wasn't there nor am I a policeman so it doesnt really matter what I think
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    Re: Dontre Hamilton Shooting: No Charges for Fired Milwaukee Cop

    Quote Originally Posted by Higgins86 View Post
    No I dont doubt it and as I said I have no issue with the officer shooting. I just question the 13 shots fired and if it was really needed or he went into panic mode. Again though I wasn't there nor am I a policeman so it doesnt really matter what I think
    The dude isn't SAS. You can't expect the same fire discipline.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Dontre Hamilton Shooting: No Charges for Fired Milwaukee Cop

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    The dude isn't SAS. You can't expect the same fire discipline.
    This is true and maybe my attitude towards it says a lot about what we expect from the Police, maybe we expect too much?
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    Re: Dontre Hamilton Shooting: No Charges for Fired Milwaukee Cop

    Quote Originally Posted by Higgins86 View Post
    This is true and maybe my attitude towards it says a lot about what we expect from the Police, maybe we expect too much?
    That's a food question. While an SAS trooper could have put Hamilton on ice with one round, he is also trained to kill; not arrest, or detain. Do we want cops that are trained to kill on the same level as SAS, or SEAL's, or Green Berets? Let's say we did, how many cops are there that can make it through SF training?

    Now, that being said, I so believe that your average police academy training regimine isn't nearly tough enough.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Dontre Hamilton Shooting: No Charges for Fired Milwaukee Cop

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    The dude isn't SAS. You can't expect the same fire discipline.
    You fight til the threat is eliminated.
    This is a great video from one of the worlds leading experts.

    His comments beginning at 5:30 explain a lot. Cops that shoot on average 2-3 times lose. Cops that shoot 6 times are more win and the only reason that number isnt higher is because the statistics were gathered when the majority of cops carried revolvers.

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    Re: Dontre Hamilton Shooting: No Charges for Fired Milwaukee Cop

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Hamilton didn't have any right to assault the cop.
    Not even to defend himself from a possible cop-gone-wild? Does the badge give a cop immunity to beat anyone he wants for any reason he cares to invent?

    If a cop starts beating you with a baton for no reason you can ascertain, what would YOU do? hand him a bottle of lube?
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    Re: Dontre Hamilton Shooting: No Charges for Fired Milwaukee Cop

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    You fight til the threat is eliminated.
    This is a great video from one of the worlds leading experts.

    His comments beginning at 5:30 explain a lot. Cops that shoot on average 2-3 times lose. Cops that shoot 6 times are more win and the only reason that number isnt higher is because the statistics were gathered when the majority of cops carried revolvers.
    Personally, I think a cop should be able to score a kill with 4 rounds, or less, but I went to a different school.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Dontre Hamilton Shooting: No Charges for Fired Milwaukee Cop

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Personally, I think a cop should be able to score a kill with 4 rounds, or less, but I went to a different school.
    'should' is a relative word. People 'should' be able to kill with one shot. And thats how it works on the range. I watch people target shoot all the time. I dont see many people shoot tactically, shoot off hand, shoot from cover, shoot to reach cover, shoot with an advancing target, etc.

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    Re: Dontre Hamilton Shooting: No Charges for Fired Milwaukee Cop

    Quote Originally Posted by RogueWarrior View Post
    Not even to defend himself from a possible cop-gone-wild? Does the badge give a cop immunity to beat anyone he wants for any reason he cares to invent?

    If a cop starts beating you with a baton for no reason you can ascertain, what would YOU do? hand him a bottle of lube?
    No, not even then. Obviously, doing so had the opposite of the desired outcome.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Dontre Hamilton Shooting: No Charges for Fired Milwaukee Cop

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    'should' is a relative word. People 'should' be able to kill with one shot. And thats how it works on the range. I watch people target shoot all the time. I dont see many people shoot tactically, shoot off hand, shoot from cover, shoot to reach cover, shoot with an advancing target, etc.
    That is in line with my point. Once adrenaline takes over, the textbook goes out the window.
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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