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    Re: Dontre Hamilton Shooting: No Charges for Fired Milwaukee Cop

    Quote Originally Posted by Higgins86 View Post
    13 bullets??? Unless you think the guy is the terminator you dont need to fire 13 times...
    You fire till the threat is stopped.

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    Re: Dontre Hamilton Shooting: No Charges for Fired Milwaukee Cop

    Quote Originally Posted by Higgins86 View Post
    Was he still running, crawling? How fast was he approaching the officer after the 5th bullet?
    That in no way refutes what I stated.
    So again.

    You fire until the threat obviously ceases to be a threat.

    In this incident, according to the witnesses even, he stopped firing when he fell. Which is when he was obviously no longer as threat.

    The truth of the matter is that is the way cops are trained, and they are trained that way because often it takes more than several shots to make the person no longer be a threat.

    The whole thing here is that the person is acting out violently against an Officer. That is on them. Not the cops for stopping them.

    In this case that was 13 shots.
    Sorry you don't like that, but that is what happens when you act out criminally and aggressively against people armed with guns. Not just cops.
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    Re: Dontre Hamilton Shooting: No Charges for Fired Milwaukee Cop

    Quote Originally Posted by CRUE CAB View Post
    Only 13? Should have reloaded and dropped another mag in him.
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    Re: Dontre Hamilton Shooting: No Charges for Fired Milwaukee Cop

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    That in no way refutes what I stated.
    So again.

    You fire until the threat obviously ceases to be a threat.

    In this incident, according to the witnesses even, he stopped firing when he fell. Which is when he was obviously no longer as threat.

    The truth of the matter is that is the way cops are trained, and they are trained that way because often it takes more than several shots to make the person no longer be a threat.

    The whole thing here is that the person is acting out violently against an Officer. That is on them. Not the cops for stopping them.

    In this case that was 13 shots.
    Sorry you don't like that, but that is what happens when you act out criminally and aggressively against people armed with guns. Not just cops.

    I mean I guess it's how you determine a threat. An unarmed man with several bullet wounds in my mind poses a very minimal threat, I have no issue with the officer firing to defend himself I just question if 13 was excessive force.
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    Re: Dontre Hamilton Shooting: No Charges for Fired Milwaukee Cop

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    you are correct. its like the NY incident. Choke holds violate departmental policy but were not illegal

    a grand jury determines if there is probable cause to believe a crime was committed, not if the target violated company policies.
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    Re: Dontre Hamilton Shooting: No Charges for Fired Milwaukee Cop

    Quote Originally Posted by AJiveMan View Post
    You would not hear that from other media outlets, I watched and heard that on WTMJ last night when a journalist was interviewing the family's attorney, that Dontre Hamilton had club marks on his head. Why that's not been mentioned by MSM I don't know. But the scenario I painted in the earlier post is what the family's attorney alluded to or implied.
    if true, that is troubling.

    A cop beats someone on the head with a baton.
    Said someone objects to said beating and removes said baton from said cop.
    Said cop, miffed that his play time has been interrupted, 'perceives a threat' and shoots said someone multiple times.

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    Re: Dontre Hamilton Shooting: No Charges for Fired Milwaukee Cop

    Quote Originally Posted by RogueWarrior View Post
    if true, that is troubling.

    A cop beats someone on the head with a baton.
    Said someone objects to said beating and removes said baton from said cop.
    Said cop, miffed that his play time has been interrupted, 'perceives a threat' and shoots said someone multiple times.

    Autopsy Report;
    note the contusions and abrasions in the report,

    also note how many projectiles were fired in a downward fashion:

    Blunt force injuries

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    Re: Dontre Hamilton Shooting: No Charges for Fired Milwaukee Cop

    Quote Originally Posted by Higgins86 View Post
    I mean I guess it's how you determine a threat. An unarmed man with several bullet wounds in my mind poses a very minimal threat, I have no issue with the officer firing to defend himself I just question if 13 was excessive force.
    Then you don't know what "excessive force" means in this context. Wounded animals are very dangerous.

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    Re: Dontre Hamilton Shooting: No Charges for Fired Milwaukee Cop

    Quote Originally Posted by Higgins86 View Post
    Was he still running, crawling? How fast was he approaching the officer after the 5th bullet?
    If he was doing the worm a 6th would be just fine.

    But was he crawling? Or was it as the actual witnesses reported a right shoot because he still presented as a threat? I mean...I get that in spite of what you actually know there is this thing you WANT it to be...

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    Re: Dontre Hamilton Shooting: No Charges for Fired Milwaukee Cop

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Then you don't know what "excessive force" means in this context. Wounded animals are very dangerous.
    There is wounded and then there is being shot 13 times. Just seems like the officer went into panic mode, also I would hope his department give him some Marksmanship lessons.
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