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    Re: Dontre Hamilton Shooting: No Charges for Fired Milwaukee Cop

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    I'm not saying that what the cop did was a felony.

    I'm using the felony murder rule as an example of an "if A, then B is automatic" legal principal.
    I still don't follow your logic. Are you saying that a policeman (or anyone, for that matter) must simply take a severe beating (or worse) simply because they initially made a procedural error? Does your right of self defense vanish if you made a mistake?
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    Re: Dontre Hamilton Shooting: No Charges for Fired Milwaukee Cop

    Quote Originally Posted by soot View Post
    I'm not saying that what the cop did was a felony.

    I'm using the felony murder rule as an example of an "if A, then B is automatic" legal principal.
    If a robber takes a gun with him, during the commission of a robbery, he intended to shoot someone.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Dontre Hamilton Shooting: No Charges for Fired Milwaukee Cop

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    Are you saying that a policeman (or anyone, for that matter) must simply take a severe beating (or worse) simply because they initially made a procedural error? Does your right of self defense vanish if you made a mistake?
    I'm saying that that's worth discussing.
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    Re: Dontre Hamilton Shooting: No Charges for Fired Milwaukee Cop

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    If a robber takes a gun with him, during the commission of a robbery, he intended to shoot someone.
    You have solid evidence for this?

    Or you can read minds?

    Or what?
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    Re: Dontre Hamilton Shooting: No Charges for Fired Milwaukee Cop

    Quote Originally Posted by soot View Post
    You have solid evidence for this?

    Or you can read minds?

    Or what?
    A robber doesn't have a right to self defense. There's a fact for you.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Dontre Hamilton Shooting: No Charges for Fired Milwaukee Cop

    Quote Originally Posted by soot View Post
    I'm saying that that's worth discussing.
    Then discuss it, perhaps beginning by answering the questions that you quoted.
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    Re: Dontre Hamilton Shooting: No Charges for Fired Milwaukee Cop

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    A robber doesn't have a right to self defense. There's a fact for you.
    Perhaps not while in the commission of a crime. And perhaps not from his victim or law enforcement officials.

    But I would imagine that on his way to the place of the crime, and on the way home, he has as much right to defend himself from another criminal as you or I do.
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    Re: Dontre Hamilton Shooting: No Charges for Fired Milwaukee Cop

    Quote Originally Posted by soot View Post
    Perhaps not while in the commission of a crime. And perhaps not from his victim or law enforcement officials.

    But I would imagine that on his way to the place of the crime, and on the way home, he has as much right to defend himself from another criminal as you or I do.
    And, we're discussing a murder committed during the commission of a crime.
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Dontre Hamilton Shooting: No Charges for Fired Milwaukee Cop

    To the OP...

    This is taken from the article you cited...
    Attorney John T. Chisholm said that former Milwaukee police officer Christopher Manney "was justified in firing at Dontre Hamilton" because Hamilton had taken Manney's baton while the officer was responding to a complaint about a man sleeping in a public park, and the Manney was attempting to "stop the threat."

    In a statement, Chisholm said "the more difficult issue" is determining whether Manney — who shot Hamilton at least 13 times — fired more shots than he needed to in order to subdue Hamilton. But many witnesses testified that Manney stopped firing when Hamilton fell to the ground, prompting Chisholm to rule that the numerous shots were a "defensive action forced upon him by Dontre Hamilton's deadly attack with a police baton."

    So...the question is...based on the article you provided...do you believe Dontre Hamilton took the officers baton? Simple question...right?

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    Re: Dontre Hamilton Shooting: No Charges for Fired Milwaukee Cop

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    To the OP...

    This is taken from the article you cited...
    Attorney John T. Chisholm said that former Milwaukee police officer Christopher Manney "was justified in firing at Dontre Hamilton" because Hamilton had taken Manney's baton while the officer was responding to a complaint about a man sleeping in a public park, and the Manney was attempting to "stop the threat."

    In a statement, Chisholm said "the more difficult issue" is determining whether Manney — who shot Hamilton at least 13 times — fired more shots than he needed to in order to subdue Hamilton. But many witnesses testified that Manney stopped firing when Hamilton fell to the ground, prompting Chisholm to rule that the numerous shots were a "defensive action forced upon him by Dontre Hamilton's deadly attack with a police baton."

    So...the question is...based on the article you provided...do you believe Dontre Hamilton took the officers baton? Simple question...right?
    Please don't interrupt the leftist narrative with facts... Clearly this is another instance of a college-bound, gentle black man being gunned down by a racist cop.

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