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    Court in Argentina grants basic rights to orangutan

    BBC News - Court in Argentina grants basic rights to orangutan

    Rights (Afada) said Sandra was "a person" in the philosophical, not biological, sense.

    She was, they argued, in a situation of illegal deprivation of freedom as a "non-human person".

    They had filed a "habeas corpus" writ in her favour last November over "the unjustified confinement of an animal with probable cognitive capability".

    Afada lawyer Paul Buompadre was quoted as saying by La Nacion newspaper: "This opens the way not only for other Great Apes, but also for other sentient beings which are unfairly and arbitrarily deprived of their liberty in zoos, circuses, water parks and scientific laboratories."

    The court judges had rejected the writ several times before deciding finally that Sandra could be considered to have rights to freedom which needed defending.
    I'm uncertain as to whether this is a first, but it's certainly significant nonetheless! Of course, it could be appealed, but I see this as a step forward in the fight to recognize that it is not only humans that can be accurately regarded as "persons" or as beings that desire freedom and to be free from harm!
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    Re: Court in Argentina grants basic rights to orangutan

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    I'm uncertain as to whether this is a first, but it's certainly significant nonetheless! Of course, it could be appealed, but I see this as a step forward in the fight to recognize that it is not only humans that can be accurately regarded as "persons" or as beings that desire freedom and to be free from harm.
    It's a complicated legality but anyone with a bit of humanity will hope for the best to happen to this animal.
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    Re: Court in Argentina grants basic rights to orangutan

    It's all fun and games until someone's face gets bitten off.

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    Re: Court in Argentina grants basic rights to orangutan

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    It's all fun and games until someone's face gets bitten off.
    If they're mostly left to their own devices then that really doesn't become a problem...

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    Re: Court in Argentina grants basic rights to orangutan

    Quote Originally Posted by Brother AJ View Post
    BBC News - Court in Argentina grants basic rights to orangutan


    I'm uncertain as to whether this is a first, but it's certainly significant nonetheless! Of course, it could be appealed, but I see this as a step forward in the fight to recognize that it is not only humans that can be accurately regarded as "persons" or as beings that desire freedom and to be free from harm!
    Soon enough they'll be outlawing antibiotics as genocide. All the while, actual unborn humans will have no protection.

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    Re: Court in Argentina grants basic rights to orangutan

    Quote Originally Posted by Paleocon View Post
    Soon enough they'll be outlawing antibiotics as genocide.
    Yea okay, I'm gonna call fallacy on this one. LOL! Seriously this is one of most hyperbolic things I've ever read!

    https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/slippery-slope

    All the while, actual unborn humans will have no protection.
    Irrelevant to the topic at hand.

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    Re: Court in Argentina grants basic rights to orangutan

    Quote Originally Posted by Brother AJ View Post
    BBC News - Court in Argentina grants basic rights to orangutan


    I'm uncertain as to whether this is a first, but it's certainly significant nonetheless! Of course, it could be appealed, but I see this as a step forward in the fight to recognize that it is not only humans that can be accurately regarded as "persons" or as beings that desire freedom and to be free from harm!
    Could be the dumbest thing I've ever heard. Nice going, Argentina. I'll limit it to the judge at this point, but what an idiot. It could be appealed? By who? A monkey?
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    Re: Court in Argentina grants basic rights to orangutan

    Quote Originally Posted by Anthony60 View Post
    Could be the dumbest thing I've ever heard. Nice going, Argentina. I'll limit it to the judge at this point, but what an idiot. It could be appealed? By who? A monkey?
    A human infant actually.

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    Re: Court in Argentina grants basic rights to orangutan

    Quote Originally Posted by Brother AJ View Post
    Yea okay, I'm gonna call fallacy on this one. LOL! Seriously this is one of most hyperbolic things I've ever read!

    https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/slippery-slope


    Irrelevant to the topic at hand.
    Note that it's only a fallacy if one is making an argument based on it. I was merely lamenting, although a bit hyperbolically.

    But I can make a valid ad absurdum argument. Why should we grant monkeys human rights, but not, say, flies?

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    Re: Court in Argentina grants basic rights to orangutan

    Quote Originally Posted by Brother AJ View Post
    BBC News - Court in Argentina grants basic rights to orangutan


    I'm uncertain as to whether this is a first, but it's certainly significant nonetheless! Of course, it could be appealed, but I see this as a step forward in the fight to recognize that it is not only humans that can be accurately regarded as "persons" or as beings that desire freedom and to be free from harm!
    When it happens in a country that matters I'll pay attention. I say that as a supporter of cetacean and primate rights.

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