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One NYPD Cop Dead, Another Critical After They Were Shot in Vehicle[W:132]

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Kobie said:
The fact that police, right or wrong, killed Michael Brown and Eric Garner, maybe? It was in the news.
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Again, you prove me right! Nice job!
 
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tres borrachos said:
de Blasio is mayor of the city. That's what he's supposed to do.

Sharpton was encouraging protests.

Holder is the Attorney General. He is responsible for law enforcement.

Obama was quick to comment on the Cambridge Police Department. He was quick to comment on the Michael Brown Grand Jury verdict. He missed this. Maybe he needs better handlers to fill him in.

Where were the "hundreds" of marches on December 13?
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Obama was quick as hell to show his mug on TV, when it was about Martin, Brown and Garner.

When two NYPD officers are assassinated? He issues a statement, probably written by one of his enterouge.
 
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Kobie said:
Not when those call outs are based in fiction. Sharpton has been repeatedly accused of advocating for violence against cops, and it's simply not true. And the goalposts keep moving regarding what allegedly inspired the shooter, and how much blame Sharpton/Holder/de Blasio/Obama should shoulder for that.
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I never said Sharpton called for violence against cops, so I don't give a **** what anyone else said. I'm posting for myself.

Sharpton has fanned the flames. He has repeatedly and incorrectly made statements about what happened in Ferguson. He has made comments about minorities being injured or dying in altercations with police. He urged the Justice Department to create a special office to handle possible instances of police misconduct against minorities and to appoint special prosecutors to take cases where grand juries decide not to indict.

He made this racial. He is giving people the impression that cops are shooting black men who have their hands up. Those are lies. When you lie and you get people fired up, you own it. He owns his part in this, whether people want to excuse him or not. He deserves to be called out on his lies and his rhetoric. I'm sick of him. He's been a troublemaker for years, and he has done more to hurt race relations than help them. No person with critical thinking skills thinks anything else but that.
 
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tres borrachos said:
de Blasio is mayor of the city. That's what he's supposed to do.

Sharpton was encouraging protests.

Holder is the Attorney General. He is responsible for law enforcement.

Obama was quick to comment on the Cambridge Police Department. He was quick to comment on the Michael Brown Grand Jury verdict. He missed this. Maybe he needs better handlers to fill him in.
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One group of protestors says "death to cops;" these four guys are to be pilloried for not expressly condemning it (even though Sharpton DID). Gotcha.

tres borrachos said:
Where were the "hundreds" of marches on December 13?
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I was referring to the total over the past however long it's been since the Brown GJ verdict, not just that day. Come on.
 
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tres borrachos said:
Whoever they are, they're pieces of ****.

Where was de Blasio calling these people out for their disgusting words? Where was Sharpton and NAN who have encouraged people to protest and march against cops? Where was Obama? Where was Holder?

Nowhere. But don't mention that, or else people will huff because you're trying to get those men to be men and admit to having some responsibility here.
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They were speaking out boldly earlier but now these same people have fallen silent, or asking everyone to remain silent in respect for the murdered officers.

The left wing chanters had another success on the weekend.Tarpon Springs police officer, Charles Kondek, shot and killed on duty - Story | abcactionnews.com | Tampa Bay News, Weather, Sports, Things To Do | WFTS-TV
 
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apdst said:
Obama was quick as hell to show his mug on TV, when it was about Martin, Brown and Garner.

When two NYPD officers are assassinated? He issues a statement, probably written by one of his enterouge.
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He's on vacation in Hawaii. Any normal President would gather the media that follows him to the potty and give a quick statement. It isn't politically expedient for him to do it. He's a coward too.
 
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tres borrachos said:
I never said Sharpton called for violence against cops, so I don't give a **** what anyone else said. I'm posting for myself.

Sharpton has fanned the flames. He has repeatedly and incorrectly made statements about what happened in Ferguson. He has made comments about minorities being injured or dying in altercations with police. He urged the Justice Department to create a special office to handle possible instances of police misconduct against minorities and to appoint special prosecutors to take cases where grand juries decide not to indict.

He made this racial. He is giving people the impression that cops are shooting black men who have their hands up. Those are lies. When you lie and you get people fired up, you own it. He owns his part in this, whether people want to excuse him or not. He deserves to be called out on his lies and his rhetoric. I'm sick of him. He's been a troublemaker for years, and he has done more to hurt race relations than help them. No person with critical thinking skills thinks anything else but that.
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I don't necessarily disagree with that; however, that's not what the argument is about. The thread is not about whether Sharpton is a cynical race-baiter. The thread is about whether he shares responsibility for the actions of a lone nut.
 
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Navy Pride said:
You have to lay at the feet of Sharpton this time.....He was leading the parade chanting "What doe we want? Dead cops.......When do we want them? Now....Well that scumbag got his wish.
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Navy Pride said:
He gave full support to what they were saying.......I thought even someone like to you could not defend this.....Boy was I wrong.
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apdst said:
Where was his lip service when protesters, at his event, were calling for the murder of policemen?
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Hey tres...you keep whining why no one is focused on talking about how sad it is that these cops lost their lives? Here's a great example as to why. EVERYONE on here pretty much agrees it's absolutely horrendous that these cops lost their lives, so there's not a lot to say beyond that other than running in circles.

But you have two people like this repeating over and over again VERIFIABLY UNTRUE STATEMENTS without any regard for getting it right, so of course you're going to have people commenting on their utterly untrue statements

Apdst and Navy Pride.

1. The chant wasn't being led by Sharpton

2. The event wasn't hosted by Sharpton

3. The event wasn't being supported by Sharpton in any way.

What you are claiming is outright falsehoods.

The chant in question was done by protesters attending the Millions March in NYC on December 13th.

As you can tell from the link I just gave, the event was not hosted by, endorsed by, or in any way officially supported by Al Sharpton or his National Action Network. It was hosted by Synead Nichols and Umaara Elliot.

Meanwhile, Sharpton was 225 miles away in Washington DC hosting his Justice for All March.

So if you can provide some shred of evidence explaining how Sharpton somehow "led" a chant in New York City for a protest he wasn't a part of while he was in Washington DC hosting an entirely different protest that was actively stating that people shouldn't be "anti-cop" and that most cops aren't bad, please provide it forth. Otherwise, admit that in your desperate attempts to attack the man you just decided to repeat utter falsehoods as facts.

I'm sorry but I don't subscribe to an "ends justify the means" political form of attack. Sharpton is a blow hard of epic proportions that is a massive self promoter. But that doesn't magically mean it's okay to unabashedly lie about him in the desire to blame him for peoples murders he had nothing to do with.
Attack Sharpton all you want, I've got no love for the blowhard...but you should do so based on actual fact and
 
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apdst said:
Again, you prove me right! Nice job!
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So the fact that these people died at police hands means that the shooter was inspired by "anti-cop rhetoric," as you claimed? I'm really not seeing how you're reaching the conclusion that something that doesn't prove you right proves you right.
 
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Kobie said:
I don't necessarily disagree with that; however, that's not what the argument is about. The thread is not about whether Sharpton is a cynical race-baiter. The thread is about whether he shares responsibility for the actions of a lone nut.
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Actually, this thread isn't about Sharpton at all. You've got it mixed up with the other thread (understandable, since both threads have started being heavy with the "blame Sharpton because he led a chant to kill cops!" rhetoric)

This is the thread talking initially about the cops being killed.
 
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Kobie said:
One group of protestors says "death to cops;" these four guys are to be pilloried for not expressly condemning it (even though Sharpton DID). Gotcha.



I was referring to the total over the past however long it's been since the Brown GJ verdict, not just that day. Come on.
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So because this doesn't happen at every march, just forget about it, right?

Yes, they should have condoned it. It's called leadership. You obviously don't expect them to be leaders. I do. I guess my standard is a little high, even for these losers. But you're right, just ignore the chants of killing the cops. That's better.

I'll bet if a group of pissed off Asian-Americans went down to where this killer lived in Baltimore, and started chanting to burn the "mother****ing" place down, and walked through the streets chanting "What do we want? Dead black men! When do we want them? Now!", these 4 would have their faces on television faster than you can say "The Cambridge Police Department acted stupidly".
 
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Zyphlin said:
Actually, this thread isn't about Sharpton at all. You've got it mixed up with the other thread (understandable, since both threads have started being heavy with the "blame Sharpton because he led a chant to kill cops!" rhetoric)

This is the thread talking initially about the cops being killed.
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I had actually said "thread" twice before I realized which thread I was in. I changed one of them to "argument" but missed the other one.
 
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tres borrachos said:
So because this doesn't happen at every march, just forget about it, right?

Yes, they should have condoned it. It's called leadership. You obviously don't expect them to be leaders. I do. I guess my standard is a little high, even for these losers. But you're right, just ignore the chants of killing the cops. That's better.
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Because that's what I said.
 
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Zyphlin said:
Hey tres...you keep whining why no one is focused on talking about how sad it is that these cops lost their lives? Here's a great example as to why. EVERYONE on here pretty much agrees it's absolutely horrendous that these cops lost their lives, so there's not a lot to say beyond that other than running in circles.

But you have two people like this repeating over and over again VERIFIABLY UNTRUE STATEMENTS without any regard for getting it right, so of course you're going to have people commenting on their utterly untrue statements

Apdst and Navy Pride.

1. The chant wasn't being led by Sharpton

2. The event wasn't hosted by Sharpton

3. The event wasn't being supported by Sharpton in any way.

What you are claiming is outright falsehoods.

The chant in question was done by protesters attending the Millions March in NYC on December 13th.

As you can tell from the link I just gave, the event was not hosted by, endorsed by, or in any way officially supported by Al Sharpton or his National Action Network. It was hosted by Synead Nichols and Umaara Elliot.

Meanwhile, Sharpton was 225 miles away in Washington DC hosting his Justice for All March.

So if you can provide some shred of evidence explaining how Sharpton somehow "led" a chant in New York City for a protest he wasn't a part of while he was in Washington DC hosting an entirely different protest that was actively stating that people shouldn't be "anti-cop" and that most cops aren't bad, please provide it forth. Otherwise, admit that in your desperate attempts to attack the man you just decided to repeat utter falsehoods as facts.

I'm sorry but I don't subscribe to an "ends justify the means" political form of attack. Sharpton is a blow hard of epic proportions that is a massive self promoter. But that doesn't magically mean it's okay to unabashedly lie about him in the desire to blame him for peoples murders he had nothing to do with.
Attack Sharpton all you want, I've got no love for the blowhard...but you should do so based on actual fact and
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If you have a beef with posts made by Apdst and Navy Pride, why on Earth are you telling me? You're a moderator - do something about it - and leave me out of it. What the ****? And what is with the comment that what I am claiming is "outright falsehoods"? Where do you get off posting that? I never said the chant was led by Sharpton, I never said the event was hosted by Sharpton, and I never said it was supported by Sharpton in any way. Your post is a lie. And do not come to me because you have issues with what other posters post.
 
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Zyphlin said:
Hey tres...you keep whining why no one is focused on talking about how sad it is that these cops lost their lives? Here's a great example as to why. EVERYONE on here pretty much agrees it's absolutely horrendous that these cops lost their lives, so there's not a lot to say beyond that other than running in circles.

But you have two people like this repeating over and over again VERIFIABLY UNTRUE STATEMENTS without any regard for getting it right, so of course you're going to have people commenting on their utterly untrue statements

Apdst and Navy Pride.

1. The chant wasn't being led by Sharpton

2. The event wasn't hosted by Sharpton

3. The event wasn't being supported by Sharpton in any way.

What you are claiming is outright falsehoods.

The chant in question was done by protesters attending the Millions March in NYC on December 13th.

As you can tell from the link I just gave, the event was not hosted by, endorsed by, or in any way officially supported by Al Sharpton or his National Action Network. It was hosted by Synead Nichols and Umaara Elliot.

Meanwhile, Sharpton was 225 miles away in Washington DC hosting his Justice for All March.

So if you can provide some shred of evidence explaining how Sharpton somehow "led" a chant in New York City for a protest he wasn't a part of while he was in Washington DC hosting an entirely different protest that was actively stating that people shouldn't be "anti-cop" and that most cops aren't bad, please provide it forth. Otherwise, admit that in your desperate attempts to attack the man you just decided to repeat utter falsehoods as facts.

I'm sorry but I don't subscribe to an "ends justify the means" political form of attack. Sharpton is a blow hard of epic proportions that is a massive self promoter. But that doesn't magically mean it's okay to unabashedly lie about him in the desire to blame him for peoples murders he had nothing to do with.
Attack Sharpton all you want, I've got no love for the blowhard...but you should do so based on actual fact and
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Before Saturday, point out the times Sharpton condemned the anti-police rhetoric.
 
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tres borrachos said:
If you have a beef with posts made by Apdst and Navy Pride, why on Earth are you telling me?
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Because their posts are an excellent example to answer your continually complaint about how people are focusing on things other than expressing their regrets regarding the death of these two cops.

When people continually and unabashedly say untrue statements over and over again in a thread people are going to respond to said untrue things. And when the initial people refuse to admit they're wrong and attempt to argue that they're correct, it causes a back and forth. It's not that people are just walking in going "Hmm, I want to talk about some aspect of this story other than the killer"...they're talking about things other than the killer because people are saying stupid untrue things about people other than the killer.

And what is with the comment that what I am claiming is "outright falsehoods"?
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I never said YOU made outright falsehoods. I specifically said you had two people like those I quoted, apdst and navy pride, making outright false statement. Because they were.
 
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apdst said:
Before Saturday, point out the times Sharpton condemned the anti-police rhetoric.
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Sure, I'll be glad to deal with your attempt to move the goal post after you first address your outright falsehood that you claimed.

You claimed the protesters saying they wanted dead cops was at his event. Admit you either were:

1. Wrong
2. Lying

(Because those are the only two real options)

And then I'll be glad to move onto your next line of discussion. But we're not just magically ignoring your dishonesty without you commenting on it just so you can change the subject
 
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tres borrachos said:
I never said Sharpton called for violence against cops, so I don't give a **** what anyone else said. I'm posting for myself.

Sharpton has fanned the flames. He has repeatedly and incorrectly made statements about what happened in Ferguson. He has made comments about minorities being injured or dying in altercations with police. He urged the Justice Department to create a special office to handle possible instances of police misconduct against minorities and to appoint special prosecutors to take cases where grand juries decide not to indict.

He made this racial. He is giving people the impression that cops are shooting black men who have their hands up. Those are lies. When you lie and you get people fired up, you own it. He owns his part in this, whether people want to excuse him or not. He deserves to be called out on his lies and his rhetoric. I'm sick of him. He's been a troublemaker for years, and he has done more to hurt race relations than help them. No person with critical thinking skills thinks anything else but that.
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And despite all of this, her's what Al had to say. “We are now under intense threat from those who are misguided – from those who are trying to blame everyone from civil rights leaders to the mayor rather than deal with an ugly spirit that all of us need to fight,” he said. The ugly spirit he helped create is worried about de Blasio and 'civil rights leaders'. There is no rational way to explain this guy, or why anyone pays him any attention. It just doesn't say much for his followers.
 
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Zyphlin said:
Sure, I'll be glad to deal with your attempt to move the goal post after you first address your outright falsehood that you claimed.

You claimed the protesters saying they wanted dead cops was at his event. Admit you either were:

1. Wrong
2. Lying

(Because those are the only two real options)

And then I'll be glad to move onto your next line of discussion. But we're not just magically ignoring your dishonesty without you commenting on it just so you can change the subject
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I'm neither...

Al Sharpton Leads March in DC as NYC Protesters Chant: 'What Do We Want? Dead Cops!' - Breitbart

Which one are you?
 
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Zyphlin said:
Because their posts are an excellent example to answer your continually complaint about how people are focusing on things other than expressing their regrets regarding the death of these two cops.

When people continually and unabashedly say untrue statements over and over again in a thread people are going to respond to said untrue things. And when the initial people refuse to admit they're wrong and attempt to argue that they're correct, it causes a back and forth. It's not that people are just walking in going "Hmm, I want to talk about some aspect of this story other than the killer"...they're talking about things other than the killer because people are saying stupid untrue things about people other than the killer.



I never said YOU made outright falsehoods. I specifically said you had two people like those I quoted, apdst and navy pride, making outright false statement. Because they were.
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So? Take it up with them. I don't care. I'm not policing posts on this board. I'm my own person.

I also don't care who admits what or doesn't admit what. If you have something to say to those posters, say it to them, and leave me out of it. And I will continue to feel sorrow for the families of these innocent men who were killed while at the same time criticizing the lack of leadership from the idiots who helped get us to where we are today.
 
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Kobie said:
The headline of that story openly states that Sharpton and the protestors were in two different places.
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Were the two NYPD officers, who were assaulted at a different place than Sharpton's march?

Did Sharpton condemn either?
 
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Grant said:
And despite all of this, her's what Al had to say. “We are now under intense threat from those who are misguided – from those who are trying to blame everyone from civil rights leaders to the mayor rather than deal with an ugly spirit that all of us need to fight,” he said. The ugly spirit he helped create is worried about de Blasio and 'civil rights leaders'. There is no rational way to explain this guy, or why anyone pays him any attention. It just doesn't say much for his followers.
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I want to hear the good Reverend, as well as others who are leading the black community, call out everyone associated with that March in NYC on the 13th where people were calling for deaths of policemen. But that will never happen.

I watched his show earlier. He's defiant. He may as well have said "If the white cops stopped shooting black boys all over the streets, this never would have happened."

Nobody in their right mind thinks his hands are clean. They aren't. He wanted decisiveness. I don't believe he wanted any cops' deaths. But he sure as **** wanted race relations to stay strained. He's made his god damn career on it.
 
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