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    Re: One NYPD Cop Dead, Another Critical After They Were Shot in Vehicle[W:132]

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Lmao, flamebait? You're offended/angered by having to tell people whether you'd allow yourself to be choked?
    I'm not offended, but you sure do seem uptight about it. You don't get it, but that's no surprise.
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    Re: One NYPD Cop Dead, Another Critical After They Were Shot in Vehicle[W:132]

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    I'm not offended
    Then it's not flamebait. Now, would you let yourself be choked by a police officer? Yes or no.
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    Re: One NYPD Cop Dead, Another Critical After They Were Shot in Vehicle[W:132]

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Then it's not flamebait. Now, would you let yourself be choked by a police officer? Yes or no.
    I'm not going to give an officer a reason to get physical, so your question is irrelevant. I'm not that stupid, to put myself in that situation.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: One NYPD Cop Dead, Another Critical After They Were Shot in Vehicle[W:132]

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    I'm not going to give an officer a reason to get physical, so your question is irrelevant. I'm not that stupid, to put myself in that situation.
    This has already been addressed and its entirely irrelevant to the question being asked. You don't have clairvoyance and cops are not immune from senseless violence. With that said: Would you allow a cop to put you in a chokehold? Yes or no.
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    Re: One NYPD Cop Dead, Another Critical After They Were Shot in Vehicle[W:132]

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    This has already been addressed and its entirely irrelevant to the question being asked. You don't have clairvoyance and cops are not immune from senseless violence. With that said: Would you allow a cop to put you in a chokehold? Yes or no.
    You got your answer, now stop being contrary. You have no point, accept to be argumentative. Stop wasting everyone's time.
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: One NYPD Cop Dead, Another Critical After They Were Shot in Vehicle[W:132]

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    You got your answer, now stop being contrary. You have no point, accept to be argumentative. Stop wasting everyone's time.
    I have received no answer as the only two possible answers to that question start with yes or no. So apdst, would you let a cop put you in a chokehold?
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    Re: One NYPD Cop Dead, Another Critical After They Were Shot in Vehicle[W:132]

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    Why am I getting the impression that some of these people are laying awake at night worrying about being choked by policemen?

    In my list of things I'm afraid will happen to me, choking by cop falls right behind getting raped by Brad Pitt and right before getting kicked in the head by a herd of stampeding elephants in New Hampshire.
    Straw man.
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    Re: One NYPD Cop Dead, Another Critical After They Were Shot in Vehicle

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    He absolutely does have a record of stoking racial fires. I don't like him either.

    The difference betweeen us it seems is that despite disliking him, I don't think it's wrong, unfair, or worthy of condemnation to call out people who's arguments are based on outright lies simply because I dislike Sharpton.
    I'll refer you back to my example of someone spreading gasoline and other flammable materials in a forest and then condemning those who would start fires which burnt down 3,000 forest acres. If he stokes the fire he has some culpability - I don't support those who outright lie about what he may or may not have done. As I've said, his fingerprints are not directly linked to the two cops being killed but then again, when he spread the gas and on the straw he shouldn't get away with condemning those who threw the match.
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    Re: One NYPD Cop Dead, Another Critical After They Were Shot in Vehicle

    I'd like to come back to this quote Zyph, and address a little more since I am on my laptop now and not on the phone...

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    The group in question was reported to be in New York on December 13th as part of the Millions March NYC.

    As you can see from that link, the event was organized and hosted by two women...Synead Nichols and Umaara Elliot. If you scan their website you will not see any claims of support from Al Sharpton or the civil rights group he founded, the National Action Network.
    Although that is true enough, Synead Nichols was the Organizer for the DC event..These groups are purposely staying loosely connected for just this type of deniability IMHO...

    If you'll read, (And I believe I tried to pull it from a non biased, if not leaning toward the protesters side of things...)

    Thousands of demonstrators from across the country, including Rev. Al Sharpton and the families of Eric Garner, Michael Brown, and Tamir Rice, are expected to converge on Washington, D.C., on Saturday to protest police violence.

    Sharpton’s National Action Network organized the Justice for All march with support from about 50 organizations, including the American Civil Liberties Union and the National Urban League.


    “We’re like the union for families, because they want an infrastructure to fight an infrastructure,” the civil rights leader told The Washington Post. “We do not want this to be an episodic movement. We want it to be real change.”

    Family members of Trayvon Martin, the 17-year-old fatally shot by a neighborhood watch volunteer in Florida in 2012; John H. Crawford, III, shot and killed by police after picking up a toy gun in the toy section of an Ohio Walmart in August; and Akai Gurley, accidentally shot and killed by a New York officer in a Brooklyn, N.Y., housing project in November will join the march as well. Buses full of protesters from all over the United States are scheduled to arrive in D.C.

    Other cities are also anticipating protests on Saturday, which has been called the National Day of Resistance. The Millions March in New York City is set to kick off at Washington Square Park.

    Lead organizer Synead Nichols said in a statement, “We are a new generation of young multi*racial activists willing to take up the torch, and we’re not going to stand for this anymore.”

    The Daily Fix: Families of Men Killed by Police to Join National March in Washington, D.C. | TakePart
    So, Ms. Nichols is behind the Millions March site, and was the lead organizer in DC...interesting.

    Meanwhile, Sharpton was 225 miles away in Washington DC hosting his Justice for All March. This march was also on December 13th, the same day as the Millions March NYC, but in an entirely diffrent city.

    You can google "National Action Network" and "Justice for All March" and find all sorts of links to instances on their website talking about the protest in DC they organized and hosted.
    Like I said it is easy to deny because these groups are indeed as far as I am concerned working together, however, they will publicly stay only loosely affiliated in order to deny any culpability when things like this happen...

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    Re: One NYPD Cop Dead, Another Critical After They Were Shot in Vehicle

    The only "evidence" that the New York crowd was in any way related to Sharpton has been:

    1. Random right wing blogs that are either unsourced...OR the sources they link to actually don't verify any of the claims they make
    2. Headlines or videos, such as a Fox and Friends video, where the NYC protests and the Al Sharpton protests are spoken about back to back giving the IMPRESSION they were directly related despite being entirely seperate events hosted by entirely different people.
    This respectfully IMHO, is just not true...

    1. I stayed away from "right wing blogs" to get the information that Ms. Nichols was the lead organizer in Sharpton's DC event you say he was at during the "dead cops" chanting...And you should know that Sharpton doesn't have to be present controlling things for him to be involved behind the scenes...

    2. It's easy to bash Fox, and just blame them for the accusations, but when the slightest digging is done into these individuals, you would see that they are indeed working closely...

    Think of it this way...When Giffords was shot tragically, the liberal left media outlets took no time in linking that event with not only 2nd amendment supporters, but tea party movements...They never retracted that dishonest crap disguised as journalism, but somehow it is totally wrong to even think that the rhetoric, and emotions being stirred up today have anything to do with someone taking it to the next level...

    Sorry, but I am not willing to give this movement that kind of pass. As much as I can't stand Di Blasio...he was calling for suspending protests until the slain officers were burried...How'd that work for him?

    Hundreds of demonstrators marched down Fifth Avenue, despite Mayor Bill de Blasio's request for a moratorium on protests.

    A number of protesters scoffed at the mayor's public appeal, made after the killings of two police officers.

    Demonstrators Turn Out, Ignoring De Blasio's Request - WNYC
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