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    Re: One NYPD Cop Dead, Another Critical After They Were Shot in Vehicle[W:132]

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    My point is, it won't make these incidents go away. Eric Garner resisting arrest is a prime example.
    Guy, the FIVE guys had Garner on the ground...and they STILL continued to choke him. Which is why the medical examiner ruled it a homicide.

    And of course the body cameras wouldn't make the incidents ALL go away...but it makes SIXTY percent of them go away. Don't you think that's worth it? Or do you somehow like the level of violence as it is?
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    Re: One NYPD Cop Dead, Another Critical After They Were Shot in Vehicle[W:132]

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    Guy, the FIVE guys had Garner on the ground...and they STILL continued to choke him. Which is why the medical examiner ruled it a homicide.

    And of course the body cameras wouldn't make the incidents ALL go away...but it makes SIXTY percent of them go away. Don't you think that's worth it? Or do you somehow like the level of violence as it is?
    Guy, he resisted the entire time. He tried to break out, twice. And even with the video evidence, a rebellion is underway.
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: One NYPD Cop Dead, Another Critical After They Were Shot in Vehicle[W:132]

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Guy, he resisted the entire time. He tried to break out, twice. And even with the video evidence, a rebellion is underway.
    When someone's choking you, are you going to lie down there and let them continue to choke you? What is ANY human being going to do when he or she is being choked to death????

    And you didn't answer my question about the body cameras.
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    Re: One NYPD Cop Dead, Another Critical After They Were Shot in Vehicle[W:132]

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    Guy, the FIVE guys had Garner on the ground...and they STILL continued to choke him. Which is why the medical examiner ruled it a homicide.

    And of course the body cameras wouldn't make the incidents ALL go away...but it makes SIXTY percent of them go away. Don't you think that's worth it? Or do you somehow like the level of violence as it is?
    Yep. Its worth it.
    Body camera's seem to make everyone calmer.

    That said. Local/State govt. that buy the camera's should not raise taxes/fees. There is enough give away programs the money can be found in.
    One will also need to consider upkeep/maintenance of the equipment, record storage policies, chain of custody of data, etc. Those expenses need to also be accounted for.

    Bottom line, police can go ahead and implement a body camera program. Just don't ask for more money to do it.

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    Re: One NYPD Cop Dead, Another Critical After They Were Shot in Vehicle[W:132]

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    When someone's choking you, are you going to lie down there and let them continue to choke you? What is ANY human being going to do when he or she is being choked to death????

    And you didn't answer my question about the body cameras.
    I'm not going to give a cop a reason to take me down! How god damn hard is it to understand that part?
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: One NYPD Cop Dead, Another Critical After They Were Shot in Vehicle[W:132]

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    I never said they were...but there's been enough wrong actions by the police that people have taken notice. That's why I'm a big fan of body cameras for police...and they work:

    Police officers in the small city of Rialto in San Bernardino County have been wearing cameras since 2012. Rialto Police Chief William A. Farrar, working with a Cambridge University researcher, found two big results: Complaints against his officers declined by 88 percent and officer use of force declined by 60 percent.

    Think about that. If the police weren't at least sometimes doing that which is wrong, why would the use of body cameras result in such a dramatic drop, not just in complaints against the police but - and this is the important factor - a 60 percent drop in the use of force by the police?
    My concern with these cameras, paid for at public expense, is that they do not reduce crime. In many cases they may actually increase crime because of increased "need" for plea bargaining (the courts would get WAY busissier). The basic idea of a plea bargain is to save the time/effort of a trial in exchange for pretending that a lesser offense was comitted. The (serious) crime still happened but is reported as if some lesser crime happened.

    Beyond the numbers, Farrar said the body cameras have also led to speedier internal investigations, an increase in criminal prosecutions, a rise in defendant plea bargains, greater officer professionalism and more public trust. Hes continued to monitor citizen complaints and use of force and seen sustained sharp decreases compared with the year before officers had cameras.
    The result is that arrest rates (for officer witnessed crime) go up, police complaints go down, but convictions (for the actual offense committed but NOT caught on officer cam) go down as well. What we (the public) need is honesty in prosecutions, whether the offense is by a citizen or by a police officer. Far too few cases are ever presented to a judge/jury an are "dealt with" using plea bargains that are rarely, if ever, discussed with the victim.
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    Re: One NYPD Cop Dead, Another Critical After They Were Shot in Vehicle[W:132]

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    I'm not going to give a cop a reason to take me down! How god damn hard is it to understand that part?
    Wrong answer. Whatever came before, the guy's on top of you and choking the life out of you. What are you going to do?
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    Re: One NYPD Cop Dead, Another Critical After They Were Shot in Vehicle[W:132]

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    Wrong answer. Whatever came before, the guy's on top of you and choking the life out of you. What are you going to do?
    A cop isn't going to be taking me down. What part of that don't you understand?
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: One NYPD Cop Dead, Another Critical After They Were Shot in Vehicle[W:132]

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    A cop isn't going to be taking me down. What part of that don't you understand?
    What part of "yeah, it CAN happen" do you not understand? Oh, wait, let me guess - you're perfect and no cop would ever, ever make the mistake of thinking you're anything other than the most perfect citizen that ever trod the streets of America....
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    Re: One NYPD Cop Dead, Another Critical After They Were Shot in Vehicle[W:132]

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    What part of "yeah, it CAN happen" do you not understand? Oh, wait, let me guess - you're perfect and no cop would ever, ever make the mistake of thinking you're anything other than the most perfect citizen that ever trod the streets of America....
    If you're confronted by a cop, are you going to cooperate, or are you going to fight your way out of it?

    I'm a truck driver. I deal with cops all the time.
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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