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    Re: One NYPD Cop Dead, Another Critical After They Were Shot in Vehicle

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Right! The anti-police rhetoric had nothing to do with it!
    I'm not sure what this has to do with my post, since my post specifically suggested that anti-police rhetoric absolutely could have something to do with it.

    The difference is we have unquestionable proof that he was motivated by Brown and Garner given his tweets. Thus far we have no proof that he was motivated or inspired by protesters chanting for cops to be killed or any other kind of anti-police rhetoric.

    Unlike you I actually attempt to remain consistent in situations, I don't abandon principle whenever it suits my political needs. My stance on these kind of things have been consistent...whether it's been foolish liberals trying to blame tea partiers for the death of a census worker or declaring that islam caused someone to shoot up the holocaust museum or people jumping on the NY posts suggestion of who the boston bombers were or, in this case, people trying to claim for sure what motivated this guys attack.

    We don't know the facts yet, and I'm not going to say something is definitely the case when there's no facts what so ever to back it up as definitive.

    Thus, there's still a legitimate question if he was motivated to any degree by "anti-police rhetoric". I would think it's more likely to be "yes" than "no", but it's absolutely not a definitive thing at this point.

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    Re: One NYPD Cop Dead, Another Critical After They Were Shot in Vehicle

    Is "proof" now required for anyone to have an opinion or say where an injustice was committed? I just want to make sure I know the rules.

    There is no proof that Darren Wilson killed Michael Brown because he was black. There is no proof that Eric Garner was killed because he was black. There is no proof that anyone was killed with his hands up in a "no shoot" stance.

    So then these protests and lies will finally stop?
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    Re: One NYPD Cop Dead, Another Critical After They Were Shot in Vehicle

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    Is "proof" now required for anyone to have an opinion or say where an injustice was committed? I just want to make sure I know the rules.

    There is no proof that Darren Wilson killed Michael Brown because he was black. There is no proof that Eric Garner was killed because he was black. There is no proof that anyone was killed with his hands up in a "no shoot" stance.

    So then these protests and lies will finally stop?
    There is substantial evidence, however, that Garner's death came as a result of unnecessary force. Shouldn't THAT be protested?

    (It is)
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    Re: One NYPD Cop Dead, Another Critical After They Were Shot in Vehicle

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    Ah yes. "THE LEFT IS STUPID."
    Not their leaders, just their followers. You must distinguish between the two. Conning leftists is the easiest path to political power. Think Obama!

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    Re: One NYPD Cop Dead, Another Critical After They Were Shot in Vehicle

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    Kobie, why are you a Sharpton enabler?
    Because Sharpton is a MSNBC anchor. Have to root for the "home team". Either that or he/she is a highschooler and does not know Sharpton's history.

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    Re: One NYPD Cop Dead, Another Critical After They Were Shot in Vehicle

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    I'm not sure what this has to do with my post, since my post specifically suggested that anti-police rhetoric absolutely could have something to do with it.

    The difference is we have unquestionable proof that he was motivated by Brown and Garner given his tweets. Thus far we have no proof that he was motivated or inspired by protesters chanting for cops to be killed or any other kind of anti-police rhetoric.

    Unlike you I actually attempt to remain consistent in situations, I don't abandon principle whenever it suits my political needs. My stance on these kind of things have been consistent...whether it's been foolish liberals trying to blame tea partiers for the death of a census worker or declaring that islam caused someone to shoot up the holocaust museum or people jumping on the NY posts suggestion of who the boston bombers were or, in this case, people trying to claim for sure what motivated this guys attack.

    We don't know the facts yet, and I'm not going to say something is definitely the case when there's no facts what so ever to back it up as definitive.

    Thus, there's still a legitimate question if he was motivated to any degree by "anti-police rhetoric". I would think it's more likely to be "yes" than "no", but it's absolutely not a definitive thing at this point.
    The anti-police rhetoric has been going on, hot and heavy for month, it's obvious that it was a motivator. After all, he tweeted, [1 of ours, 2 of their's]. Now, I never said this clown was a rocket scientist and he's undoubtedly a follower, not a leader.
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    Re: One NYPD Cop Dead, Another Critical After They Were Shot in Vehicle

    Quote Originally Posted by washunut View Post
    Because Sharpton is a MSNBC anchor. Have to root for the "home team". Either that or he/she is a highschooler and does not know Sharpton's history.
    Wow, so much wrong in one post.

    I'm well aware of Sharpton's history. I don't like Al Sharpton one bit. I think he's a self-aggrandizing blowhard who uses people's suffering to make money.

    I'm not sure how pointing out blatantly obvious lies about what Sharpton has said in this matter makes me an "enabler" to anyone other than people who seem to think lying is a perfectly acceptable way to debate. Ends justifying the means and all.

    Graduated high school 20 years ago, guy, and I watch about 30 seconds of MSNBC a month (flipping past the channel takes SOME time, after all). Come up with better material.
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    Re: One NYPD Cop Dead, Another Critical After They Were Shot in Vehicle

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    There is substantial evidence, however, that Garner's death came as a result of unnecessary force. Shouldn't THAT be protested?

    (It is)
    Not by people who are chanting about death to cops.

    And how do minorities, black lives matter, etc. play into the protests? Because that's what they say - it was all about him being black. It wasn't. There is no evidence of that at all. Period. Want to organize a march to have Grand Juries reformed? Great. Want to have a march to protest heavy men being surrounded by cops for selling illegal butts? I'm all for it. Lying and making it something it isn't? Gonna call you out on it.
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    Re: One NYPD Cop Dead, Another Critical After They Were Shot in Vehicle

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    There is substantial evidence, however, that Garner's death came as a result of unnecessary force. Shouldn't THAT be protested?

    (It is)
    Except, the evidence you suggests exists, is a figment of one's imagination.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: One NYPD Cop Dead, Another Critical After They Were Shot in Vehicle

    Quote Originally Posted by washunut View Post
    Because Sharpton is a MSNBC anchor. Have to root for the "home team". Either that or he/she is a highschooler and does not know Sharpton's history.
    Thats true, but I know Kobe's job, and its not in academia.

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