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    Re: One NYPD Cop Dead, Another Critical After They Were Shot in Vehicle

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    Obama offers help to NYPD after 2 officers killed | www.actionnewsjax.com

    If he had given a statement, he'd get slammed for that too.
    Why did you post that? It has nothing to do with what I said he should have done which is go in front of the cameras and give a statement. Volunteering federal dollars to the NYPD isn't toning down the rhetoric.
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    Re: One NYPD Cop Dead, Another Critical After They Were Shot in Vehicle

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Hey tres...you keep whining why no one is focused on talking about how sad it is that these cops lost their lives? Here's a great example as to why. EVERYONE on here pretty much agrees it's absolutely horrendous that these cops lost their lives, so there's not a lot to say beyond that other than running in circles.

    But you have two people like this repeating over and over again VERIFIABLY UNTRUE STATEMENTS without any regard for getting it right, so of course you're going to have people commenting on their utterly untrue statements

    Apdst and Navy Pride.

    1. The chant wasn't being led by Sharpton

    2. The event wasn't hosted by Sharpton

    3. The event wasn't being supported by Sharpton in any way.

    What you are claiming is outright falsehoods.

    The chant in question was done by protesters attending the Millions March in NYC on December 13th.

    As you can tell from the link I just gave, the event was not hosted by, endorsed by, or in any way officially supported by Al Sharpton or his National Action Network. It was hosted by Synead Nichols and Umaara Elliot.

    Meanwhile, Sharpton was 225 miles away in Washington DC hosting his Justice for All March.

    So if you can provide some shred of evidence explaining how Sharpton somehow "led" a chant in New York City for a protest he wasn't a part of while he was in Washington DC hosting an entirely different protest that was actively stating that people shouldn't be "anti-cop" and that most cops aren't bad, please provide it forth. Otherwise, admit that in your desperate attempts to attack the man you just decided to repeat utter falsehoods as facts.

    I'm sorry but I don't subscribe to an "ends justify the means" political form of attack. Sharpton is a blow hard of epic proportions that is a massive self promoter. But that doesn't magically mean it's okay to unabashedly lie about him in the desire to blame him for peoples murders he had nothing to do with.
    Attack Sharpton all you want, I've got no love for the blowhard...but you should do so based on actual fact and
    Before Saturday, point out the times Sharpton condemned the anti-police rhetoric.
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    Re: One NYPD Cop Dead, Another Critical After They Were Shot in Vehicle

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    If you have a beef with posts made by Apdst and Navy Pride, why on Earth are you telling me?
    Because their posts are an excellent example to answer your continually complaint about how people are focusing on things other than expressing their regrets regarding the death of these two cops.

    When people continually and unabashedly say untrue statements over and over again in a thread people are going to respond to said untrue things. And when the initial people refuse to admit they're wrong and attempt to argue that they're correct, it causes a back and forth. It's not that people are just walking in going "Hmm, I want to talk about some aspect of this story other than the killer"...they're talking about things other than the killer because people are saying stupid untrue things about people other than the killer.

    And what is with the comment that what I am claiming is "outright falsehoods"?
    I never said YOU made outright falsehoods. I specifically said you had two people like those I quoted, apdst and navy pride, making outright false statement. Because they were.

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    Re: One NYPD Cop Dead, Another Critical After They Were Shot in Vehicle

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Before Saturday, point out the times Sharpton condemned the anti-police rhetoric.
    Sure, I'll be glad to deal with your attempt to move the goal post after you first address your outright falsehood that you claimed.

    You claimed the protesters saying they wanted dead cops was at his event. Admit you either were:

    1. Wrong
    2. Lying

    (Because those are the only two real options)

    And then I'll be glad to move onto your next line of discussion. But we're not just magically ignoring your dishonesty without you commenting on it just so you can change the subject

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    Re: One NYPD Cop Dead, Another Critical After They Were Shot in Vehicle

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    I never said Sharpton called for violence against cops, so I don't give a **** what anyone else said. I'm posting for myself.

    Sharpton has fanned the flames. He has repeatedly and incorrectly made statements about what happened in Ferguson. He has made comments about minorities being injured or dying in altercations with police. He urged the Justice Department to create a special office to handle possible instances of police misconduct against minorities and to appoint special prosecutors to take cases where grand juries decide not to indict.

    He made this racial. He is giving people the impression that cops are shooting black men who have their hands up. Those are lies. When you lie and you get people fired up, you own it. He owns his part in this, whether people want to excuse him or not. He deserves to be called out on his lies and his rhetoric. I'm sick of him. He's been a troublemaker for years, and he has done more to hurt race relations than help them. No person with critical thinking skills thinks anything else but that.
    And despite all of this, her's what Al had to say. We are now under intense threat from those who are misguided from those who are trying to blame everyone from civil rights leaders to the mayor rather than deal with an ugly spirit that all of us need to fight, he said. The ugly spirit he helped create is worried about de Blasio and 'civil rights leaders'. There is no rational way to explain this guy, or why anyone pays him any attention. It just doesn't say much for his followers.

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    Re: One NYPD Cop Dead, Another Critical After They Were Shot in Vehicle

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Sure, I'll be glad to deal with your attempt to move the goal post after you first address your outright falsehood that you claimed.

    You claimed the protesters saying they wanted dead cops was at his event. Admit you either were:

    1. Wrong
    2. Lying

    (Because those are the only two real options)

    And then I'll be glad to move onto your next line of discussion. But we're not just magically ignoring your dishonesty without you commenting on it just so you can change the subject
    I'm neither...

    Al Sharpton Leads March in DC as NYC Protesters Chant: 'What Do We Want? Dead Cops!' - Breitbart

    Which one are you?
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: One NYPD Cop Dead, Another Critical After They Were Shot in Vehicle

    The headline of that story openly states that Sharpton and the protestors were in two different places.
    Freedom of speech is not freedom from criticism.

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    Re: One NYPD Cop Dead, Another Critical After They Were Shot in Vehicle

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Because their posts are an excellent example to answer your continually complaint about how people are focusing on things other than expressing their regrets regarding the death of these two cops.

    When people continually and unabashedly say untrue statements over and over again in a thread people are going to respond to said untrue things. And when the initial people refuse to admit they're wrong and attempt to argue that they're correct, it causes a back and forth. It's not that people are just walking in going "Hmm, I want to talk about some aspect of this story other than the killer"...they're talking about things other than the killer because people are saying stupid untrue things about people other than the killer.



    I never said YOU made outright falsehoods. I specifically said you had two people like those I quoted, apdst and navy pride, making outright false statement. Because they were.
    So? Take it up with them. I don't care. I'm not policing posts on this board. I'm my own person.

    I also don't care who admits what or doesn't admit what. If you have something to say to those posters, say it to them, and leave me out of it. And I will continue to feel sorrow for the families of these innocent men who were killed while at the same time criticizing the lack of leadership from the idiots who helped get us to where we are today.
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    Re: One NYPD Cop Dead, Another Critical After They Were Shot in Vehicle

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    The headline of that story openly states that Sharpton and the protestors were in two different places.

    Were the two NYPD officers, who were assaulted at a different place than Sharpton's march?

    Did Sharpton condemn either?
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: One NYPD Cop Dead, Another Critical After They Were Shot in Vehicle

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    And despite all of this, her's what Al had to say. “We are now under intense threat from those who are misguided – from those who are trying to blame everyone from civil rights leaders to the mayor rather than deal with an ugly spirit that all of us need to fight,” he said. The ugly spirit he helped create is worried about de Blasio and 'civil rights leaders'. There is no rational way to explain this guy, or why anyone pays him any attention. It just doesn't say much for his followers.
    I want to hear the good Reverend, as well as others who are leading the black community, call out everyone associated with that March in NYC on the 13th where people were calling for deaths of policemen. But that will never happen.

    I watched his show earlier. He's defiant. He may as well have said "If the white cops stopped shooting black boys all over the streets, this never would have happened."

    Nobody in their right mind thinks his hands are clean. They aren't. He wanted decisiveness. I don't believe he wanted any cops' deaths. But he sure as **** wanted race relations to stay strained. He's made his god damn career on it.
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