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    Re: One NYPD Cop Dead, Another Critical After They Were Shot in Vehicle

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Obama was quick as hell to show his mug on TV, when it was about Martin, Brown and Garner.

    When two NYPD officers are assassinated? He issues a statement, probably written by one of his enterouge.
    He's on vacation in Hawaii. Any normal President would gather the media that follows him to the potty and give a quick statement. It isn't politically expedient for him to do it. He's a coward too.
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    Re: One NYPD Cop Dead, Another Critical After They Were Shot in Vehicle

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    I never said Sharpton called for violence against cops, so I don't give a **** what anyone else said. I'm posting for myself.

    Sharpton has fanned the flames. He has repeatedly and incorrectly made statements about what happened in Ferguson. He has made comments about minorities being injured or dying in altercations with police. He urged the Justice Department to create a special office to handle possible instances of police misconduct against minorities and to appoint special prosecutors to take cases where grand juries decide not to indict.

    He made this racial. He is giving people the impression that cops are shooting black men who have their hands up. Those are lies. When you lie and you get people fired up, you own it. He owns his part in this, whether people want to excuse him or not. He deserves to be called out on his lies and his rhetoric. I'm sick of him. He's been a troublemaker for years, and he has done more to hurt race relations than help them. No person with critical thinking skills thinks anything else but that.
    I don't necessarily disagree with that; however, that's not what the argument is about. The thread is not about whether Sharpton is a cynical race-baiter. The thread is about whether he shares responsibility for the actions of a lone nut.
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    Re: One NYPD Cop Dead, Another Critical After They Were Shot in Vehicle

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    You have to lay at the feet of Sharpton this time.....He was leading the parade chanting "What doe we want? Dead cops.......When do we want them? Now....Well that scumbag got his wish.
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    He gave full support to what they were saying.......I thought even someone like to you could not defend this.....Boy was I wrong.
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    Where was his lip service when protesters, at his event, were calling for the murder of policemen?
    Hey tres...you keep whining why no one is focused on talking about how sad it is that these cops lost their lives? Here's a great example as to why. EVERYONE on here pretty much agrees it's absolutely horrendous that these cops lost their lives, so there's not a lot to say beyond that other than running in circles.

    But you have two people like this repeating over and over again VERIFIABLY UNTRUE STATEMENTS without any regard for getting it right, so of course you're going to have people commenting on their utterly untrue statements

    Apdst and Navy Pride.

    1. The chant wasn't being led by Sharpton

    2. The event wasn't hosted by Sharpton

    3. The event wasn't being supported by Sharpton in any way.

    What you are claiming is outright falsehoods.

    The chant in question was done by protesters attending the Millions March in NYC on December 13th.

    As you can tell from the link I just gave, the event was not hosted by, endorsed by, or in any way officially supported by Al Sharpton or his National Action Network. It was hosted by Synead Nichols and Umaara Elliot.

    Meanwhile, Sharpton was 225 miles away in Washington DC hosting his Justice for All March.

    So if you can provide some shred of evidence explaining how Sharpton somehow "led" a chant in New York City for a protest he wasn't a part of while he was in Washington DC hosting an entirely different protest that was actively stating that people shouldn't be "anti-cop" and that most cops aren't bad, please provide it forth. Otherwise, admit that in your desperate attempts to attack the man you just decided to repeat utter falsehoods as facts.

    I'm sorry but I don't subscribe to an "ends justify the means" political form of attack. Sharpton is a blow hard of epic proportions that is a massive self promoter. But that doesn't magically mean it's okay to unabashedly lie about him in the desire to blame him for peoples murders he had nothing to do with.
    Attack Sharpton all you want, I've got no love for the blowhard...but you should do so based on actual fact and

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    Re: One NYPD Cop Dead, Another Critical After They Were Shot in Vehicle

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Again, you prove me right! Nice job!
    So the fact that these people died at police hands means that the shooter was inspired by "anti-cop rhetoric," as you claimed? I'm really not seeing how you're reaching the conclusion that something that doesn't prove you right proves you right.
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    Re: One NYPD Cop Dead, Another Critical After They Were Shot in Vehicle

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    I don't necessarily disagree with that; however, that's not what the argument is about. The thread is not about whether Sharpton is a cynical race-baiter. The thread is about whether he shares responsibility for the actions of a lone nut.
    Actually, this thread isn't about Sharpton at all. You've got it mixed up with the other thread (understandable, since both threads have started being heavy with the "blame Sharpton because he led a chant to kill cops!" rhetoric)

    This is the thread talking initially about the cops being killed.

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    Re: One NYPD Cop Dead, Another Critical After They Were Shot in Vehicle

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    He's on vacation in Hawaii. Any normal President would gather the media that follows him to the potty and give a quick statement. It isn't politically expedient for him to do it. He's a coward too.
    Obama offers help to NYPD after 2 officers killed | www.actionnewsjax.com

    If he had given a statement, he'd get slammed for that too.
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    Re: One NYPD Cop Dead, Another Critical After They Were Shot in Vehicle

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    One group of protestors says "death to cops;" these four guys are to be pilloried for not expressly condemning it (even though Sharpton DID). Gotcha.



    I was referring to the total over the past however long it's been since the Brown GJ verdict, not just that day. Come on.
    So because this doesn't happen at every march, just forget about it, right?

    Yes, they should have condoned it. It's called leadership. You obviously don't expect them to be leaders. I do. I guess my standard is a little high, even for these losers. But you're right, just ignore the chants of killing the cops. That's better.

    I'll bet if a group of pissed off Asian-Americans went down to where this killer lived in Baltimore, and started chanting to burn the "mother****ing" place down, and walked through the streets chanting "What do we want? Dead black men! When do we want them? Now!", these 4 would have their faces on television faster than you can say "The Cambridge Police Department acted stupidly".
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    Re: One NYPD Cop Dead, Another Critical After They Were Shot in Vehicle

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Actually, this thread isn't about Sharpton at all. You've got it mixed up with the other thread (understandable, since both threads have started being heavy with the "blame Sharpton because he led a chant to kill cops!" rhetoric)

    This is the thread talking initially about the cops being killed.
    I had actually said "thread" twice before I realized which thread I was in. I changed one of them to "argument" but missed the other one.
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    Re: One NYPD Cop Dead, Another Critical After They Were Shot in Vehicle

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    So because this doesn't happen at every march, just forget about it, right?

    Yes, they should have condoned it. It's called leadership. You obviously don't expect them to be leaders. I do. I guess my standard is a little high, even for these losers. But you're right, just ignore the chants of killing the cops. That's better.
    Because that's what I said.
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    Re: One NYPD Cop Dead, Another Critical After They Were Shot in Vehicle

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Hey tres...you keep whining why no one is focused on talking about how sad it is that these cops lost their lives? Here's a great example as to why. EVERYONE on here pretty much agrees it's absolutely horrendous that these cops lost their lives, so there's not a lot to say beyond that other than running in circles.

    But you have two people like this repeating over and over again VERIFIABLY UNTRUE STATEMENTS without any regard for getting it right, so of course you're going to have people commenting on their utterly untrue statements

    Apdst and Navy Pride.

    1. The chant wasn't being led by Sharpton

    2. The event wasn't hosted by Sharpton

    3. The event wasn't being supported by Sharpton in any way.

    What you are claiming is outright falsehoods.

    The chant in question was done by protesters attending the Millions March in NYC on December 13th.

    As you can tell from the link I just gave, the event was not hosted by, endorsed by, or in any way officially supported by Al Sharpton or his National Action Network. It was hosted by Synead Nichols and Umaara Elliot.

    Meanwhile, Sharpton was 225 miles away in Washington DC hosting his Justice for All March.

    So if you can provide some shred of evidence explaining how Sharpton somehow "led" a chant in New York City for a protest he wasn't a part of while he was in Washington DC hosting an entirely different protest that was actively stating that people shouldn't be "anti-cop" and that most cops aren't bad, please provide it forth. Otherwise, admit that in your desperate attempts to attack the man you just decided to repeat utter falsehoods as facts.

    I'm sorry but I don't subscribe to an "ends justify the means" political form of attack. Sharpton is a blow hard of epic proportions that is a massive self promoter. But that doesn't magically mean it's okay to unabashedly lie about him in the desire to blame him for peoples murders he had nothing to do with.
    Attack Sharpton all you want, I've got no love for the blowhard...but you should do so based on actual fact and
    If you have a beef with posts made by Apdst and Navy Pride, why on Earth are you telling me? You're a moderator - do something about it - and leave me out of it. What the ****? And what is with the comment that what I am claiming is "outright falsehoods"? Where do you get off posting that? I never said the chant was led by Sharpton, I never said the event was hosted by Sharpton, and I never said it was supported by Sharpton in any way. Your post is a lie. And do not come to me because you have issues with what other posters post.
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