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    Re: One NYPD Cop Dead, Another Critical After They Were Shot in Vehicle

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    I'm still shaking my head at all the Sharpton apologists on this board. And people who are more concerned about defending de Blasio than expressing outrage at the deaths of these 2 innocent men.
    Yes, pointing out that Sharpton never called for violence is being an "apologist."
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    Re: One NYPD Cop Dead, Another Critical After They Were Shot in Vehicle[W:132]

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    The more that police do something wrong, the more that they will have reactions like that. I am by no means excusing the shooter, but the actions of some of the police (exacerbated by the lack of disciplinary actions by their supervisors) has contributed to the anger of the people.
    - Not all the police actions the protesters are marching on were wrong. (imo)

    - Choke hold incident was a questionable actions.

    I will corrected your post. "has contributed to the anger of some of the people.".

    You seem to be justifying without excusing the action of the shooter. Got to ask then

    For example , if the actions of "some" of the looters/thieves angers the business community, can the business community put a hit out on looters, while not excusing the action of crime of committing the hit ?

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    Re: One NYPD Cop Dead, Another Critical After They Were Shot in Vehicle

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    I'm still shaking my head at all the Sharpton apologists on this board.
    I know, it's amazing what happens when people say outright lies and falsehoods and attempt to talk about situations in hyperbole and exaggeration. It's like...people give a damn about actually dealing with facts and reality, and have issues with people who distort and issue for political purposes, and thus will call it out even if they may not like the person who's being unfairly attacked.

    Crazy. Damn apologists! They should shut up and let people say provably false things like saying Al Sharpton led protesters in cheering for dead cops.

    If people were actually criticizing Sharpton in a semi-reasonable way based on actual things that really happened then there'd probably be less people "defending" Sharpton from such attacks. The reason you see so many "apologists" for him is because so many of the attacks against him are over the top and/or based on fraudulent information.

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    Re: One NYPD Cop Dead, Another Critical After They Were Shot in Vehicle

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    I know, it's amazing what happens when people say outright lies and falsehoods and attempt to talk about situations in hyperbole and exaggeration. It's like...people give a damn about actually dealing with facts and reality, and have issues with people who distort and issue for political purposes, and thus will call it out even if they may not like the person who's being unfairly attacked.

    Crazy. Damn apologists! They should shut up and let people say provably false things like saying Al Sharpton led protesters in cheering for dead cops.

    If people were actually criticizing Sharpton in a semi-reasonable way based on actual things that really happened then there'd probably be less people "defending" Sharpton from such attacks. The reason you see so many "apologists" for him is because so many of the attacks against him are over the top and/or based on fraudulent information.
    It isn't fraudulent to say Sharpton has culpability for the climate in this country. You're confusing the people who claim he led that march in NYC with well documented other facts.

    I've known about Sharpton for decades. This didn't just happen yesterday and it didn't just start with Garner.

    Please complain to the people who claimed he led the march in NYC. I never made that claim and I will stand by my comments about and my opinion of Sharpton, and my comments about all of the people who are very concerned with him being held responsible for anything in this matter.
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    Re: One NYPD Cop Dead, Another Critical After They Were Shot in Vehicle

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    Yes, pointing out that Sharpton never called for violence is being an "apologist."

    It has been pointed out how this scum, perhaps in a veiled way has called for and
    GOTTEN in the past. The fact that you choose to ignore these facts perhaps would lead some to believe that you applaud or at least condone these acts. For example the killing of a seminary student in Crown Heights by a mob of 20 or the killing of 5 owners/workers at a store in Harlem.

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    Re: One NYPD Cop Dead, Another Critical After They Were Shot in Vehicle

    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    When I read this from deBlasio -

    but 3 weeks ago he was fine with protests regarding the Garner decision - Bill De Blasio Responds To Eric Garner Grand Jury Decision
    it makes me want to puke.

    Why should we put politics aside now but feel free to ride the lightning 3 weeks ago? Why is it when 2 cops are flat out assassinated we need to put politics aside but when some street urchin dies while resisting arrest and a grand jury, acting fully within the law, finds that there was no reason to put the cops on trial we need to "peacefully protest" police violence and take actions to make sure that "no such tragedy happens again".
    I saw de Blasio's hypocritical words. It's okay for him to demand others put politics aside, but not for him to do it when it's politically expedient for him.

    I'm really struggling to understand how nobody takes issue with what happened. Anyone with half a brain knew that all of the ugly words and protests and looting and rioting and anger and calling out the cops and all the rest was going to result in something like this. I feel so terrible for the families of those 2 innocent men. Merry Christmas.
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    Re: One NYPD Cop Dead, Another Critical After They Were Shot in Vehicle

    Quote Originally Posted by washunut View Post

    It has been pointed out how this scum, perhaps in a veiled way has called for and
    GOTTEN in the past. The fact that you choose to ignore these facts perhaps would lead some to believe that you applaud or at least condone these acts. For example the killing of a seminary student in Crown Heights by a mob of 20 or the killing of 5 owners/workers at a store in Harlem.
    So now Sharpton "calling for violence" in completely unrelated incidents 24 years ago (the Crown Heights riots were in 1991) somehow inspired the cop shooter.
    Freedom of speech is not freedom from criticism.

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    Re: One NYPD Cop Dead, Another Critical After They Were Shot in Vehicle

    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    When I read this from deBlasio -

    but 3 weeks ago he was fine with protests regarding the Garner decision - Bill De Blasio Responds To Eric Garner Grand Jury Decision
    it makes me want to puke.

    Why should we put politics aside now but feel free to ride the lightning 3 weeks ago? Why is it when 2 cops are flat out assassinated we need to put politics aside but when some street urchin dies while resisting arrest and a grand jury, acting fully within the law, finds that there was no reason to put the cops on trial we need to "peacefully protest" police violence and take actions to make sure that "no such tragedy happens again".
    Garner was long dead and in the ground when the grand jury verdict came down. The cops haven't even been buried yet.
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    Re: One NYPD Cop Dead, Another Critical After They Were Shot in Vehicle

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    It isn't fraudulent to say Sharpton has culpability for the climate in this country. You're confusing the people who claim he led that march in NYC with well documented other facts.

    I've known about Sharpton for decades. This didn't just happen yesterday and it didn't just start with Garner.

    Please complain to the people who claimed he led the march in NYC. I never made that claim and I will stand by my comments about and my opinion of Sharpton, and my comments about all of the people who are very concerned with him being held responsible for anything in this matter.
    Your opinion of people who complain about police brutality is pretty well known.
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    Re: One NYPD Cop Dead, Another Critical After They Were Shot in Vehicle

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    I saw de Blasio's hypocritical words. It's okay for him to demand others put politics aside, but not for him to do it when it's politically expedient for him.

    I'm really struggling to understand how nobody takes issue with what happened. Anyone with half a brain knew that all of the ugly words and protests and looting and rioting and anger and calling out the cops and all the rest was going to result in something like this. I feel so terrible for the families of those 2 innocent men. Merry Christmas.
    So your solution is that the public should never protest outrages by the police because somewhere some nutcase might decide to take revenge? Got it.
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